Anything good and cheap to use? I'm using {Life's Finale} ATM, but I'm just wondering if there is something cheaper to use.
{devestation tide} {blasphemous act}
Yeah, Act is probably the one you want.
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 01, 2012, 04:32:47 PM
Anything good and cheap to use? I'm using {Life's Finale} ATM, but I'm just wondering if there is something cheaper to use.
Lots of options, but just to be clear, do mean "cheap" as in card value or mana cost?
{Damnation}, {Black Sun's Zenith}, {Mutilate}, {Chain Reaction}, {Blasphemous Act}... There's more, I can look up a few if you'd like.
Blue doesn't really have any "wipes" but it has a couple board bounces. {Devastation Tide}, and there's a kraken with unearth whose name escapes me that bounces all other creatures.
I was thinking cheap as in price and CMC lol. Not looking to spend a whole lot of money. I have 2 Black Sun's Zeniths, but I'm not sure how I feel about using them as a board wipe.
Oh, probably should have mentioned that I am looking for standard, too. Blasphemous Act is pretty interesting.
Miracle Tide + {Wits end} for expensive {U}{B} wipe ;D
{bonfire of the damned}!!! The best red board wipe ever!
{Blasphemous Act} and {Chain Reaction} are probably some of your best bets, then. Cheap cost and CMC on both. {Mutilate} too, m13 edition, if you have a lot of swamps. It also depends on what format and type of deck.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 04:45:28 PM
{Blasphemous Act} and {Chain Reaction} are probably some of your best bets, then. Cheap cost and CMC on both. {Mutilate} too, m13 edition, if you have a lot of swamps. It also depends on what format and type of deck.
It's a standard budget Bolas-control deck. It's Bolas Control (-ish) in the Standard section
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 01, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
{bonfire of the damned}!!! The best red board wipe ever!
It's also $37
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 01, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
{bonfire of the damned}!!! The best red board wipe ever!
Not exactly cheap card cost :P
Hmm... Standard only, huh? Act, mutilate...bonfire if you can afford it...tide is not bad either. I think those are your only real options. The best wipes in standard are white.
{killing wave} maybe?
{Mutilate} isn't good unless it's in Mono Black, or B/X, X being a barely splashed color. In a three color you have some basics and duals, probably utility lands, best case scenario you can {Mutilate} for 2 off of 6 mana, not effective at all.
Unless you get some dual-land-type dualies from RtR. ;)
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 01, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
{bonfire of the damned}!!! The best red board wipe ever!
Not exactly cheap card cost :P
Hmm... Standard only, huh? Act, mutilate...bonfire if you can afford it...tide is not bad either. I think those are your only real options. The best wipes in standard are white.
Best wipe in standard is bonfire..which is red.
{Slagstorm} is good in my opinion.
Been looking around for some as well for a Burning Vengeance deck.
Anyways, in red you have {Whipflare}, {Slagstorm}, {Rolling Temblor}, {Blasphemous Act}, and {Bonfire of the Damned}. There are also atleast two single target fireball X spells if you want to take out the opponent soon or sink all the mana on a big creature. Then there is {Chandra's Fury} on the more expensive end; otherwise you are stuck with cheap (but relatively lackluster burn spells like {Pillar of Flames}).
Blue is primarily bounce, with the biggest being {Devestation Tide}. Most others are bounce one or two creatures. Then again, Blue is the most controlling colour and would be better off focused on Draw and Counter.
Black has mostly single target removal; only {Life's Finale} and {Black Sun Zenith} are reliable at board wipe. {Killing Wave} is not as effective but can get the job done, though it is another X spell to consider. {Mutilate} is nice... if your base is mostly swamps; in a Grixis coloured deck, its quite hard. Though a couple split of {Doom Blade}, {Go for the Throat}, {Murder}, and {Geth's Verdict}/{Tribute to Hunger} could work. Getting double black shouldn't be too hard.
Quote from: D3g3n on August 01, 2012, 09:04:10 PM
Been looking around for some as well for a Burning Vengeance deck.
Anyways, in red you have {Whipflare}, {Slagstorm}, {Rolling Temblor}, {Blasphemous Act}, and {Bonfire of the Damned}. There are also atleast two single target fireball X spells if you want to take out the opponent soon or sink all the mana on a big creature. Then there is {Chandra's Fury} on the more expensive end; otherwise you are stuck with cheap (but relatively lackluster burn spells like {Pillar of Flames}).
Blue is primarily bounce, with the biggest being {Devestation Tide}. Most others are bounce one or two creatures. Then again, Blue is the most controlling colour and would be better off focused on Draw and Counter.
Black has mostly single target removal; only {Life's Finale} and {Black Sun Zenith} are reliable at board wipe. {Killing Wave} is not as effective but can get the job done, though it is another X spell to consider. {Mutilate} is nice... if your base is mostly swamps; in a Grixis coloured deck, its quite hard. Though a couple split of {Doom Blade}, {Go for the Throat}, {Murder}, and {Geth's Verdict}/{Tribute to Hunger} could work. Getting double black shouldn't be too hard.
I was thinking about just leaving in the Finale's and removing the Zeniths for Blasphemous Acts. So far, Finale has proved very beneficial against a green ramp deck. Knocked out {Wolfir Silverheart} paired with {Dungrove Elder} and a {Craterhoof Behemoth} and taking out all the mana dorks leaving him with 4-5 forests. Then I could use Finale's other effect and take out more mana dorks or fatties.
tl;dr I like {Life's Finale}
And {Blasphemous Act} looks to be a very effective way to knock out the opponents field. Especially since I get mana very quickly with 4 {Gem of Becoming}s and a couple {Manalith}s (doesn't sound like much, but trust me, it works)
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 01, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
I was thinking about just leaving in the Finale's and removing the Zeniths for Blasphemous Acts. So far, Finale has proved very beneficial against a green ramp deck. Knocked out {Wolfir Silverheart} paired with {Dungrove Elder} and a {Craterhoof Behemoth} and taking out all the mana dorks leaving him with 4-5 forests. Then I could use Finale's other effect and take out more mana dorks or fatties.
tl;dr I like {Life's Finale}
And {Blasphemous Act} looks to be a very effective way to knock out the opponents field. Especially since I get mana very quickly with 4 {Gem of Becoming}s and a couple {Manalith}s (doesn't sound like much, but trust me, it works)
Oh and {Ratchet Bomb} is another wipe, kind of.
Anyways, Life's Finale sounds amazing.
Hmm, maybe I should consider a couple of {Gem of Becoming} for securing mana base. Although may be different between a dedicated control and BV-based deck, but how many board wipes to spot removal would you feel most comfortable running?
Quote from: D3g3n on August 01, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 01, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
I was thinking about just leaving in the Finale's and removing the Zeniths for Blasphemous Acts. So far, Finale has proved very beneficial against a green ramp deck. Knocked out {Wolfir Silverheart} paired with {Dungrove Elder} and a {Craterhoof Behemoth} and taking out all the mana dorks leaving him with 4-5 forests. Then I could use Finale's other effect and take out more mana dorks or fatties.
tl;dr I like {Life's Finale}
And {Blasphemous Act} looks to be a very effective way to knock out the opponents field. Especially since I get mana very quickly with 4 {Gem of Becoming}s and a couple {Manalith}s (doesn't sound like much, but trust me, it works)
Oh and {Ratchet Bomb} is another wipe, kind of.
Anyways, Life's Finale sounds amazing.
Hmm, maybe I should consider a couple of {Gem of Becoming} for securing mana base. Although may be different between a dedicated control and BV-based deck, but how many board wipes to spot removal would you feel most comfortable running?
Right now, I'm looking to run 2 Finale's and 2 Acts. Maybe 2 Devastation tides. Not sure how I feel about them yet.