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Decks (Magic The Gathering) => Commander => Topic started by: Ghetto Pass on August 01, 2012, 02:42:25 PM

Title: Quick question.
Post by: Ghetto Pass on August 01, 2012, 02:42:25 PM
I want to build an a mono-white equipment deck with Kemba, Kha Regent as my commander.  Can I use Elbrus, the Binding Blade?  It starts as a colorless but does flip to black so I'm thinking probably not.  If not, suggestions for a new commander?
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: GoJuDragon on August 01, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
No u cant use it
πŸ”¨
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Ghetto Pass on August 01, 2012, 03:11:22 PM
Yeah, figured as much.  Worth a shot though.
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Guypocolypse on August 01, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
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Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Elitehalo360 on August 01, 2012, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on August 01, 2012, 02:42:25 PM
I want to build an a mono-white equipment deck with {Kemba, Kha Regent} as my commander.  Can I use {Elbrus, the Binding Blade}?  It starts as a colorless but does flip to black so I'm thinking probably not.  If not, suggestions for a new commander?
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Elitehalo360 on August 01, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on August 01, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
No u cant use it
πŸ”¨
Why not?
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: BlackJester on August 01, 2012, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on August 01, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on August 01, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
No u cant use it
πŸ”¨
Why not?
it's {B}, not a command color.
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Karrthus on August 02, 2012, 12:41:10 AM
Acually you can use it. The card starts as an artifact, with colorless mana, and when it transforms it is black but has no colored mana symbols on it. Making it fair game
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: BlackJester on August 02, 2012, 12:43:53 AM
903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card's mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).

903.4c The back face of a double-faced card (see rule 711) is included when determining a card's color identity.

Confirmed. πŸ”¨ (see? This is why I need to remember to gavel stuff)
/hatin' 8)
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Karrthus on August 02, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
What was just confirmed? I don't liked reading the rules. Lol
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: BlackJester on August 02, 2012, 01:10:17 AM
Quote from: Karrthus on August 02, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
What was just confirmed? I don't liked reading the rules. Lol
You can't use it.

You can't use {Civilized Scholar} in a mono-{U} EDH deck either.
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Karrthus on August 02, 2012, 01:19:26 AM
Well my local judge has some explaining to do then, innistrad Garruk in his mono green deckπŸ‘Ώ
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: BlackJester on August 02, 2012, 01:49:21 AM
Tsk tsk tsk.
That judge ought to look things up. πŸ˜‰
Title: Re: Quick question.
Post by: Karrthus on August 02, 2012, 02:02:28 AM
Well at the same time EDH is primarily casual, so if your local group is ok with you using the equipment then it's ok lol

@jester, he usually doesn't miss things like this. He's a high enough ranking judge to judge at grand Prix's so I don't know what he was thinking. Yes I do, he was prob trying to see if he could get away with it.