Tonight at the shop this guy was making comments about me while we were drafting saying things like "girls don't really understand how the game works" and "there's no way she's going to place". What makes people think this way? I got paired against him in the second round and destroyed him, went on to place 2nd. It's such a shame that some men are so sexist that they think women can't grasp the concept of a game. :\
It's a steriotype. Sometimes it is true...last time I saw girls at fnm my friend got paired against all of them. One of them didn't even know what infect was ..."wait so it only takes ten?" lol lucky bastard won every match against them.
But I love it when girls prove steriotypes are just what they are: steriotypes. Good job wuppin that guys behind! ;)
That is shameful to hear and please PM one of us mods if you are treated this way on the forum......which I doubt will happen but... Man I wish I would have been there to hear that, I would have loved to put that guy in his place. I am teaching my soon to be 11 year old daughter how to play and trust me when I say no guy better not treat her or any other girl/woman like that in front of me. 😡. You don't sound like a vindictive person but I bet it felt good to beat the guy in your match and get 2nd overall GJ 👍
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Quote from: cltrn81 on July 24, 2012, 04:56:24 AM
That is shameful to hear and please PM one of us mods if you are treated this way on the forum......which I doubt will happen but... Man I wish I would have been there to hear that, I would have loved to put that guy in his place. I am teaching my soon to be 11 year old daughter how to play and trust me when I say no guy better not treat her or any other girl/woman like that in front of me. 😡. You don't sound like a vindictive person but I bet it felt good to beat the guy in your match and get 2nd overall GJ 👍
Did ya name her Avacyn? ;D
Jokes aside i hope my kids will want to learn magic when they're teachable :D
How old was the kid? Was he with a bunch of friends there or was he on his own? Maybe he was crying for attention or trying to feel better about himself by tearing someone else downer maybe he just doesn't have the social skills to know when to stop. I'm all for jokes but you can go too far. . I'm glad you didn't take it that personal but I see this all the time by high school to early collage kids ripping each other about anything.
Guys generally think girls can't comprehend strategy games or card games...and magic is both of those. The best thing for girls to do is what you did: prove en wrong!
I go by the forethought that noone knows anything until i see them prove it.
I played 2hg with a 35 year old female teacher who out of the blue played the {ichoron scepter} shut down and won us the game. Our opponents were shocked and humbled because they had been kinda rude and all brutish due to her not looking "capable". It was a pretty awesome game too since all we top decked were critters and they refused to scoop :P
I went to my first fnm a few weeks ago and there were two girls there. I only got paired agaisnt one of them and I did beat her* but she knew some rules I didn't know.
*Pulled a {Giselia, Blade of Goldnight} in a draft.
They are afraid of boobs that aren't their mothers'. Good for you placing 2nd :)
Most guys who see a girl playing a game like magic probably get overwhelmed by the thought and put up barriers. Especially ones that have no social skills. I have just started getting my girlfriend into magic and I told her that if she ever comes to a magic night, she will probably get stares.
Or maybe he likes you and that's how he showes it.
I think it's the stereotype thing.
Alot of guys do that. They feel women are inferior to them bc of their sex. I play Xbox. And when my fiance and I got together she wanted to learn. To I taught her how to play Call of Duty. She picked up quick and now is fully prestiged on Black Ops and MW3. She's pretty good. Girls and guys BOTH cannot grasp certain things. People just stereotype girls bc people usually see more guys doing these things than girls bc alot of girls are just not interested.
Thanks for the support, guys!
And yes, it's sometimes true that females don't understand the game. But the same is true for males! Last week I had to basically help his guy through both of our games... And even though I spoke slowly and clearly, he did not understand in the slightest what was going on.
And the guy I am talking about in the original post was lacking on knowledge of rules, I don't know whether he was trying to pull a fast one or two on me, but it wasn't happening.
Also, I was there with my boyfriend, but I Wasn't there because of him nor did I get into the game because of him. I feel like everyone sees me as a tag along girlfriend until they actually play against me or talk to me about the game, it's annoying, but it's also fun to prove them wrong!
There is one girl who is a full time member of my playgroup. Yes she is the girlfriend of one of the guys. Yes she builds her own decks. Yes she wins as often as the other 3-4 of us. Girls can kill at MtG, it's not a boys club. :).
Me and my girlfriend like to double date with this other couple a lot. And we totally go to McDonalds and play magic, or all go to FNM. And there is always other girls there when we go. I build my gf's decks for her, but the other girl kicked my butt with an {acidic slime} and {deadeye navigator} combo one night. I love playing girls because they aren't as much jerks as the guys are.
I wish more girls played at my FNM. I've only seen one and she destroyed me with BW tokens
In my opinion and experience, I think it partly has to do with the fact that magic is drawing more females in to the game. As a result there are a lot of new players that are female. You see a few new girls play and they make the same n00b mistakes that we all did, ask the same n00b questions we all did, and guys just start making assumptions.
There are some very skilled female players out there and I can't wait til they start making Pro Tours.
Quote from: BlackJester on July 24, 2012, 12:53:47 PM
In my opinion and experience, I think it partly has to do with the fact that magic is drawing more females in to the game. As a result there are a lot of new players that are female. You see a few new girls play and they make the same n00b mistakes that we all did, ask the same n00b questions we all did, and guys just start making assumptions.
There are some very skilled female players out there and I can't wait til they start making Pro Tours.
So true 🔨
The FNM I went to last week there were a few girls mostly with boyfriends but I noticed even ones that were good players, the guys they were matched against kept telling them how to play and assumed they needed help. Another thing I noticed at my card shop I went to yesterday, they don't have girls to often and yesterday I went with two friends who are girls and the guys kept making a lot of crude sex jokes not directed at them but around them because I guess that's how they joke around when it's all guys.
Come to Seattle, there are many women who play and no one thinks twice about it. It's ridiculous that this is even a topic of conversation.
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
Come to Seattle, there are many women who play and no one thinks twice about it. It's ridiculous that this is even a topic of conversation.
I agree. Ridiculous. Also, I live in southern California, where most girls think they're above just about everything.
At a card shop about an hour away from my house they have a ladies night every tuesday and girls play free.
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
Come to Seattle, there are many women who play and no one thinks twice about it. It's ridiculous that this is even a topic of conversation.
Why is it ridiculous?
I don't think there's been a single post saying that girls/women are worse at MtG. Only that in certain areas they are treated poorly. I'm very glad to hear that Seattle doesn't experience that. That's great!
It's ridiculous that female magic players are treated any differently than males. I'm not sure if that's what Seattle guy was getting at, but that's how I took it.
Quote from: Jenningst on July 24, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
At a card shop about an hour away from my house they have a ladies night every tuesday and girls play free.
That.....is frickin amazing.
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 24, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
It's ridiculous that female magic players are treated any differently than males. I'm not sure if that's what Seattle guy was getting at, but that's how I took it.
No argument with that, but I don't know if that's what he meant. Just looking for clarification really.
That's exactly what I meant, it's a card game. Gender isn't an issue.
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 03:05:58 PM
That's exactly what I meant, it's a card game. Gender isn't an issue.
Jester is sexist. Le stack. Why not La stack ?????????!!!!)!?!??!!? ;)
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 03:05:58 PM
That's exactly what I meant, it's a card game. Gender isn't an issue.
It's a game played by people with genders. People of one gender are being mean to to the other. That's uncool.
Quote from: Jbombard51 on July 24, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Jester is sexist. Le stack. Why not La stack ?????????!!!!)!?!??!!? ;)
I think Stack seems masculine to me. *shrug* Must be the 'ack' part. ;D
But what if the stack has a rack? ;)
What frustrates me is that @$$hole guys like that discourage girls from playing MtG because they don't feel welcomed. And that only further perpetuates the whole "boys club" mentality that is associated with MtG. It's a vicious circle that really sucks.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 24, 2012, 03:41:43 PM
But what if the stack has a rack? ;)
I think this is what Moneekahh and others are getting at...
I'm not saying that it's not uncool. I'm saying it shouldn't matter. When you look across the table you should see an opponent, nothing else.
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
I'm not saying that it's not uncool. I'm saying it shouldn't matter. When you look across the table you should see an opponent, nothing else.
Yes yes yes! Couldn't agree more! Play the game, have fun, shake hands. GG!
We could spend this thread talking about how awesome women in MtG are.
I've played with girls. My brother met his girlfriend at one of the events I was at. My playgroup has 2 girls in it. I don't see the big deal.
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 24, 2012, 04:31:55 AM
I got paired against him in the second round and destroyed him, went on to place 2nd.
Lol, I love sweet justice.
Good job laying the smack-down on him lol. My environment doesn't allot for sexist gaming.
Great Example: My wife has wreck many people with her Naya Stompie deck.... We don't even know how it works.... It just... Wins lol
Also a friends wife frequents the draft tables. I beat her the only time I ever played her but I watched her dismantle several people at those events...
Then there is the proven truth of bewbs=better pulls....
My girlfriend had a deck that could consistently rout my deck and I hate it but I love that she likes to play. I never looked at an opponents gender because it never really affects the game as much as the cards in their deck do. Women in mtg Are as important as men in the game, hands down
My girlfriend plays Magic with me, she's actually really good, I help her build her decks but she comes up with crazy combos. We never Net Deck either, only make Homebrews.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 24, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
My girlfriend plays Magic with me, she's actually really good, I help her build her decks but she comes up with crazy combos. We never Net Deck either, only make Homebrews.
Sounds cozy. :)
It's always a shame when people act like sexist jerks. :( In the group where I play we only have one female player, she has a leonin equipment deck and a treefolk deck. Both are very VERY scary. A friend's sister also plays sometimes with a token elf deck, also scary late game. I really love diversity in MtG, be it gender, personality or whatever. I feel really lucky playing with my mtg goup because of that. We have people in there of various religions, ethnicities, ages, sexualities, etc. That, to me, makes playing a fun and unpredictable experience.
There's a card shop in my city that doubles as a music venue. One FNM, my band was booked to play after the MtG festivities and I went early to check things out (as I was just getting back into Magic.) My wife and I have never gotten more stares than that night. Not a very welcoming environment. I also live in the south, so it's basically like that everywhere.
Basically because I was an unfamiliar face, and she's a female. They seemed to be intimidated by females watching them play.
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 24, 2012, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: Ghetto Pass on July 24, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
Come to Seattle, there are many women who play and no one thinks twice about it. It's ridiculous that this is even a topic of conversation.
I agree. Ridiculous. Also, I live in southern California, where most girls think they're above just about everything.
I play in southern California too. Are you near orange county by chance ?
Tried to get my girl into magic .. Didn't work 😔 maybe one day
Quote from: Leviathan on July 24, 2012, 08:26:22 PM
Then there is the proven truth of bewbs=better pulls....
so freakin true -.- me and my friend Jordan go and get three packs of Indy, she gets two land and a foil delver, I get two evil twins and some jank green card,
Me an my friend Bree do the m12 prerelease, she pulls a freaking foil jace