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Title: Rancor
Post by: Richardalcala on July 23, 2012, 08:42:30 PM
Does {rancor} come back to the hand if it is on a creature and I {oblivion ring} the creature? Thanks.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: BlackJester on July 23, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Richardalcala on July 23, 2012, 08:47:07 PM
Dang. Thank you.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Jdogtoocool on July 23, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
While we're still on the topic how are some ways to get rid of of rancor?

I hear if you target a creature with rancor and your opponent vapor snags the creature the enchantment goes to the graveyard is that true?
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: scarsabrex on July 23, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
correct as long as rancor is still on the stack.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Xanzurth on July 24, 2012, 12:04:44 AM
Discard, counter, destroy enchant are the only ways I know of to stop {rancor}.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: BlackJester on July 24, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 24, 2012, 12:04:44 AM
Discard, counter, destroy enchant are the only ways I know of to stop {rancor}.
{Naturalize} will only put {Rancor} back in their hand.  Everything else mentioned works though.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Falcon182 on July 24, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
Can you {surgical extraction} when {rancor} hits the graveyard for that moment before it goes back to your hand?
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: BlackJester on July 24, 2012, 01:00:21 AM
Yep.  It's a trigger, and not a replacement, so it uses the stack and you can respond.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Falcon182 on July 24, 2012, 01:58:46 AM
{surgical extraction} strikes again! I love that card.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Fenster on July 24, 2012, 03:22:46 AM
{erease} :)
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Ghebert on July 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on July 23, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
While we're still on the topic how are some ways to get rid of of rancor?

I hear if you target a creature with rancor and your opponent vapor snags the creature the enchantment goes to the graveyard is that true?

The wording on rancor says "when it is put into the gy from play". So anything that can stop it from getting into play and going to the gy will get rid of it.

🔨 POW!
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Falcon182 on July 24, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Ghebert on July 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on July 23, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
While we're still on the topic how are some ways to get rid of of rancor?

I hear if you target a creature with rancor and your opponent vapor snags the creature the enchantment goes to the graveyard is that true?

The wording on rancor says "when it is put into the gy from play". So anything that can stop it from getting into play and going to the gy will get rid of it.

🔨 POW!

Technically it says "from the battlefield" but your point is still valid.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Ghebert on July 25, 2012, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 24, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Ghebert on July 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on July 23, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
While we're still on the topic how are some ways to get rid of of rancor?

I hear if you target a creature with rancor and your opponent vapor snags the creature the enchantment goes to the graveyard is that true?

The wording on rancor says "when it is put into the gy from play". So anything that can stop it from getting into play and going to the gy will get rid of it.

🔨 POW!

Technically it says "from the battlefield" but your point is still valid.

Sorry falcon. I own the Urza's Legacy {Rancor}s. they actually say "from play".

But it's the same thing! 😝🔨
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Falcon182 on July 25, 2012, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: Ghebert on July 25, 2012, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 24, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Ghebert on July 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on July 23, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
While we're still on the topic how are some ways to get rid of of rancor?

I hear if you target a creature with rancor and your opponent vapor snags the creature the enchantment goes to the graveyard is that true?

The wording on rancor says "when it is put into the gy from play". So anything that can stop it from getting into play and going to the gy will get rid of it.

🔨 POW!

Technically it says "from the battlefield" but your point is still valid.

Sorry falcon. I own the Urza's Legacy {Rancor}s. they actually say "from play".

But it's the same thing! 😝🔨

Yeah. Strange. I wonder why they change the wording... Hm...
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Bleakone on July 25, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
They didn't change the wording, from play was the original wording. From the battlefield is the oracle text.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: AgrusKos on July 25, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
{Erase}
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: BlackJester on July 25, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: Bleakone on July 25, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
They didn't change the wording, from play was the original wording. From the battlefield is the oracle text.
They began using the term "Battlefield" to mean "in play" when M10 was release.  It sounds better, has more flavor (tastes like chicken, yum! :9) and reduces confusion between playing a card and a card in play and such.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Falcon182 on July 25, 2012, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bleakone on July 25, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
They didn't change the wording, from play was the original wording. From the battlefield is the oracle text.

The wording on the card is different on the Urza's Legacy and the M13 versions.
Title: Re: Rancor
Post by: Bleakone on July 25, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 25, 2012, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bleakone on July 25, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
They didn't change the wording, from play was the original wording. From the battlefield is the oracle text.

The wording on the card is different on the Urza's Legacy and the M13 versions.

Ah okay. Maybe they just update the wording with a reprint.