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Title: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 04:18:07 PM

Coffee Junk Standard

0 cards, 15 sideboard


6 {Plains}
6 {Swamp}
4 {Forest}
4 {Isolated Chapel}
2 {Sunpetal Grove}
2 {Woodland Cemetery}

24 lands


3 {Marrow Shards}
3 {Deathmark}
3 {Tragic Slip}
2 {Human Frailty}
4 {Lingering Souls}
3 {Liliana of the Veil}
3 {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
3 {Garruk Relentless}
3 {Gideon Jura}
2 {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
1 {Elspeth Tirel}
4 {Tezzeret's Gambit}
2 {Oblivion Ring}

36 other spells


Sideboard

4 {Ray of Revelation}
4 {Witchbane Orb}
3 {Go for the Throat}
2 {Doom Blade}
2 {Ratchet Bomb}

15 sideboard cards


Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 04:25:12 PM
Okay, this deck does pretty well at fnm most times, but sometimes I have problems. I want to move away from 7 drops. I want the curve to settle around 5. Which would mean:

-2 {Somberwald Sage}
+1 {Llanowar Elves}
+1 {Avacyn's Pilgrim}

I want to cut down to 1 or 2 {Vorapede} and get completely rid of {Champion of Lambholt}. I want to add more removal (which means mana base gets a tad more black) and add more planeswalkers. I am thinking 2 {Gideon Jura} but I don't know what else. I want to get more control based with this deck while mantaining its aggro style.

Now that you generally know what kind of things I want to change, got any suggestions on what to add/subtract? This is my only standard deck and I want to polish it up real fine. I REALLY appreciate help on this...thanks!
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Kuberr on July 22, 2012, 04:37:42 PM
You do well with 75 cards?

What do you use to find things? I didn't see any tutors? 

Or anything to thin out the deck.

I defiantly believe it does well, because you're a good player, Im just trying to understand it fully.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 22, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
It's a form of control deck. He has 15 in his sideboard making 75 total.

I'd say it's a land or 2 short for a control deck but he plays it so he knows better.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 22, 2012, 04:43:28 PM
A base of it is in the article portion made by Death Gaara.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 04:43:55 PM
The card count includes sideboard...
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Yes it is 23 lands and does fine. But that is because of the somberwald sages and mana dorks. Once I am done with this deck it will have 25 lands probably...

And yes Death Garaa gave me the inspiration to build this deck. I really like the colors of junk.

As always suggestions are welcomed! ;D

Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 05:03:04 PM
Updated! I think this will do.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 22, 2012, 05:09:58 PM
I think llanowar is counter productive. The idea of a t2 ajani makes me think that 8 dorks being birds and pilgrim should suffice for a t2 ajani t3 sorin maybe? Tokens on steroids! Haha love the deck colors and potential.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 05:12:54 PM
You are very right...but I think I'll add {Arbor Elf} instead of llanowar and pilgrim. Arbor can potentially add 1 of any color so it is more flexible. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!!
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
I'm not sure I'm following how you get any color with arbor elf since it untaps only forests. I still think that avacyns pilgrim is a better mana fixer since you are running multiple colors.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Oh crap hole in my pants!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought arbor elf untapped target land. Shoot. I guess it is pilgrims then lol

(now that I think of it though...arbor elf may be able to do more when rtr comes! ;) )
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 22, 2012, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 22, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Oh crap hole in my pants!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought arbor elf untapped target land. Shoot. I guess it is pilgrims then lol

(now that I think of it though...arbor elf may be able to do more when rtr comes! ;) )

Most definitely if shock lands come back it will be the better pick.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 27, 2012, 01:26:37 AM
UPDATE!!!

Okay, I decided that I didn't want to go the creature direction at all. It's a planeswalker party! I have 8 ramp cards to get things moving faster, along with 3 {Tezzeret's Gambit} to draw and prolif.

I really wanted to make {Thragtusk} and {Restoration Angel} work though, since I love the combo and it could work for this deck. So I sided them in! I feel comfy knowing that I have creatures backing me up in the sb in case the pws decide to half-ass it on the battlefield. ;)

So any ideas? Maybe you are tired of seeing my junk deck variants? Lol
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 27, 2012, 01:33:10 AM
I don't like relentless here. To me he's just meh. I think Thragtusk is too good to now play. He helps stabilize since you could rip him off t3-4 gaining yøū 5 life.

Besides that, it looks like a super friends variant.

I would opt for mass removal since yøū have 4 BOPS only. Idk what you'd cut for it.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Willthomjr on July 27, 2012, 01:36:54 AM
Additionally...I think it's important to run 8 mana dorks. That will almost ALWAYS allow for a t2 ajani, gambit, basically anything a turn earlier which is going to be huge for you to stabilize board position running only walkers.

Verdict:

Out with relentless..add 4 pilgrims, keep 4 birds..you should play some sort of mass removal...{terminus}?? It's cheap miracle for {W} only.

There are 2 directions yøū could go both with positive and negatives.

Edit

Another note...as good as lili is...the chance of you hitting here t2-3 is very small. Shed probably get cut to make room for mana dorks and removal.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 27, 2012, 08:07:46 AM
Hmm how does this look? I did not add mass removal because I added the creatures.
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Brandalog on July 27, 2012, 09:42:17 AM
I like the deck, me myself would add more removal though. I'm a spot removal kinda guy XD

I was also thinking, don't you think that 11 ramp spells is a little high? The chances of drawing them is pretty high, but that also goes for late game drawing into it. Maybe drop the far seek for a draw/creature? Or both. {elvish visionary}
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 28, 2012, 05:40:15 PM
Woo no more creatures! I'll have to get used to not casting 3 drops on turn 2.

One question: do you think {Cathedral Membrane} is a good idea? It would be great against {Mirran Crusader}...I just wouldn't know what to take out...
Title: Re: Coffee Junk Standard
Post by: Brandalog on July 29, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
I'd go 4 {midnight haunting}