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Title: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:32:58 AM
If a 2/2 creature is declared an attacker, and then I declare a blocker that is 3/3, can then the attacker play an instant that puts a +2/+2 on the 2/2 attacker and kill my blocker? Or is the 2/2 creature considered blocked and can do no further damage?
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Clint9119 on July 19, 2012, 05:36:01 AM
If the card is castes at instant speed then yes the attacking creature will win and beat the 3/3
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:43:44 AM
509.1h says that once an attacker has a blocker declared its consider blocked
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:43:44 AM
509.1h says that once an attacker has a blocker declared its consider blocked

This is true, however, that simply means that the damage WILL be dealt to that creature, and the blocker cannot be changed. If someone were to play a card, such as {Giant Growth} the creature would get the bonus, and do the extra damage.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:52:46 AM
So what if it's not an instant but an enchantment that gives it a +2/+2, can that still be use after the declared block?
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Bleakone on July 19, 2012, 05:54:20 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:43:44 AM
509.1h says that once an attacker has a blocker declared its consider blocked

The combat phase is made of different stages, the declare attackers stage, then any player can play any instants or abilities. The declare blockers stage, again a chance to play abilities and instants. Then comes the damage calculations stage. You can't respond with instants and abilities to this stage.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Bleakone on July 19, 2012, 05:56:10 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:52:46 AM
So what if it's not an instant but an enchantment that gives it a +2/+2, can that still be use after the declared block?

Not unless the player has some card which allows them to cast enchantments at instant speed. Only abilities and instants can be used in the combat phase
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 05:56:17 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:52:46 AM
So what if it's not an instant but an enchantment that gives it a +2/+2, can that still be use after the declared block?

If the enchantment is {Marshall's Anthem} or a similar card, and is already in play, then the creature would already have the bonus. If the enchantment is more similar to {Shadow Lance} they could pay the mana after blockers are declared, but before damage is dealt, and give the creature the bonus.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:57:36 AM
Ok, next question, can I in response to the +2/+2 enchantment tap for my cards ability?
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 05:57:46 AM
It would also help to remember that activated abilities, such as the one on {Shadow Lance} are all able to be used at instant speed, unless it says otherwise.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 05:58:31 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:57:36 AM
Ok, next question, can I in response to the +2/+2 enchantment tap for my cards ability?

Yes you can, unless the ability says otherwise.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Bleakone on July 19, 2012, 05:59:46 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 05:57:36 AM
Ok, next question, can I in response to the +2/+2 enchantment tap for my cards ability?

You can. If you are blocking, once your creatures have been assigned to block, it doesn't matter if they tap afterwards.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:01:56 AM
Final two questions, does a 2/2 creature with death touch die facing a 2/2 creature without? And does first strike beat death touch all together?
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 06:04:32 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:01:56 AM
Final two questions, does a 2/2 creature with death touch die facing a 2/2 creature without? And does first strike beat death touch all together?

The creature with death touch would die. And yes, the first strike damage would kill the creature before it could deal damage.

Edit: I am using the same 2/2 vs 2/2 scenario for that last part. A 2/2 with first strike would die to a 4/4 with death touch.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:12:59 AM
Ok I lied, another question, say I get attacked by a 2/2 creature, and I block with a 3/3, and my opponent cast a +2/+2 instant on his 2/2 creature. If I have another creature besides the 3/3 who isn't blocking can I activate it's ability?
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 06:15:07 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:12:59 AM
Ok I lied, another question, say I get attacked by a 2/2 creature, and I block with a 3/3, and my opponent cast a +2/+2 instant on his 2/2 creature. If I have another creature besides the 3/3 who isn't blocking can I activate it's ability?

Yes you can.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:21:41 AM
Ok, so can you use a land/artifacts ability at any time? Example haunted fengraf or an artifact that taps for mana
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 06:24:48 AM
Quote from: Killa cam 304 on July 19, 2012, 06:21:41 AM
Ok, so can you use a land/artifacts ability at any time? Example {haunted fengraf} or an artifact that taps for mana

Yes, as long as it doesn't say otherwise, you may use them at any time. For example some cards, like {Sadistic Hypnotist} will specify when you can use their abilities. Otherwise, they may be used at any time.
Title: Re: Attack and block
Post by: Keyeto on July 19, 2012, 07:51:24 AM
Wait, by iMtg standards, these questions have not been officially answered.

Resolved 🔨

Alright, now it's official.