All "stackable" keyword abilities as of this post
Rampage
Cumulative Upkeep
Flanking
Amplify
Provoke
Storm
Affinity
Modular
Sunburst
Bushido
Soulshift
Bloodthirst
Replicate
Graft
Ripple
Vanishing
Absorb
Fortify
Frenzy
Gravestorm
Poisonous
Conspire
Exalted
Cascade
Annihilator
Battlecry
Other Keyword abilities are Redundant, making these Non-Redundant.
In this context, "stackable" means "If a spell/creature/permanent has multiple instances of [ KEYWORD ], each of them applies/triggers separately." I don't like the expression "stackable" since it leads to confusion with The Stack and how things (spells and abilities) resolve. But hey, it's an expression players use, so I'm trying to inform y'all. 8)
Thanks for posting this. It will defs help players understand cards better, and understand why {Sublime Archangel} is so darned good!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 18, 2012, 12:13:36 PM
Thanks for posting this. It will defs help players understand cards better, and understand why {Sublime Archangel} is so darned good!
Hellz yeah!
U Like math? Get three or four chumps on the board, cast {Sublime Archangel} and hit it with {Infinite Reflections} then prepare to teach your opponent(s) all about the wonders of exponents.
You: I have five creatures. I'll swing with one.
Them: Okay, for how much.
You: 4/3 plus exalted +25/+25.
Them: ??? :o T_T
Omg I love that card!!! It won't work with my infect exalted, sadly...but I am fer sher going to make a deck with that card!!
THE POWER OF MATH.
Ok here is my question and problem, how do certain static abilities get to be stackable but others don't? Ex. Exalted is stackable but lifelink is not?
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 19, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Ok here is my question and problem, how do certain static abilities get to be stackable but others don't? Ex. Exalted is stackable but lifelink is not?
Abilities that enhance the card in some way (power, toughness, number of counters, copy or cast more spells) tend to stack. Abilities that change the way the card behaves dont stack (lifelink, unblockable, flash, indestructable) all of those establish new rules that only aply to that card, reestablishing the same rule again is pointless.
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 19, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Ok here is my question and problem, how do certain static abilities get to be stackable but others don't? Ex. Exalted is stackable but lifelink is not?
lifelink is a property of the damage dealt by the creature. it is not this creature deals damage then gain life, the damage and life gain is simultaneous hence lifelink is redudant. same for death touch. exalted bushido flanking etc. are triggered abilities which do stack.
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 19, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Ok here is my question and problem, how do certain static abilities get to be stackable but others don't? Ex. Exalted is stackable but lifelink is not?
Abilities like Exalted are triggered abilities, when X happens, put something on the stack. Lifelink is static, it changes how things happen. Typically, triggered abilities will not be redundant, but static and evasion abilities usually are.
Resolved. *gavel*
Bonus:
Lifelink used to be triggered. Cards that use the lifelink-type ability but don't actually HAVE lifelink ({Genju of the Fields} for one) can stack since they trigger. So if you activate Genju three times, if it deals 2 damage, you'll gain 6 life. This is not true for regular lifelink. However, since lifelink doesn't trigger, you can the life right as the creature deals it's damage, before the state is checked.
Say you are at 2 life. Your opponent attacks with two {Walking Dead} (2/2). You block one with a {Ajani's Sunstriker} (2/2 lifelink). You would live since you would gain 2 life at the same time as the unblocked zombie mauls you.leaving you at two.
lol beat you to it.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
lol beat you to it.
True, but I gave a bonus. ;)
And you didn't gavel. XD
Too long to quote.
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There's a few extra gavels for you BJ.
Put some in your pocket and use them. Lol
😌
What about multiple {endless ranks o the dead}s? Do they all trigger at once or is each one factored into the one before it?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 19, 2012, 05:03:43 PM
What about multiple {endless ranks o the dead}s? Do they all trigger at once or is each one factored into the one before it?
Good question, things that trigger at once will all get put on the stack in order. So the first one would resolve, adding zombies. Then the next would count all zombies including the new ones, and so on and so on. So, yes each one counts the zombies earlier one's put into play.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 19, 2012, 05:03:43 PM
What about multiple {endless ranks o the dead}s? Do they all trigger at once or is each one factored into the one before it?
The number of zombies you control is counted when the ability resolves. If you control multiple {Endless Ranks of the Dead}, the tokens you get when the first ability resolves will count for subsequent abilities (if the tokens are still under your control at the time).
Resolved. 🔨
You beat me, BJ.
.... But I gaveled. 😌
I figured you'd be along. 8)
Ok let me rephrase the question. How is it determined that some static abilities are triggered while others are not? Is there a ruling on this or is it done at R&D just to mess with and piss off players?
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 19, 2012, 09:47:59 PM
Ok let me rephrase the question. How is it determined that some static abilities are triggered while others are not? Is there a ruling on this or is it done at R&D just to mess with and piss off players?
CR702 Keyword Abilities.
They certainly don't want to mess with players. Some abilities just don't make sense to stack. Trample-Trample, Flying-Flying, Hexproof-Hexproof. It really comes down to was the ability does.
The list I have made at the top is taken directly from the Comprehensive Rule Book.
What happens if you have to enchant creatures on the same creature that both give the creature lifelink would you not then gain double from each instance of the enchantment
no
What dose binding do caus I saw it on a card and gave walls binding
Banding?
So, are you asking what banding does?
Can you ask again in a new topic? It's not relevant to redundant abilities.
What dose banding do?!?
Quote from: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 19, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Ok here is my question and problem, how do certain static abilities get to be stackable but others don't? Ex. Exalted is stackable but lifelink is not?
Abilities like Exalted are triggered abilities, when X happens, put something on the stack. Lifelink is static, it changes how things happen. Typically, triggered abilities will not be redundant, but static and evasion abilities usually are.
Resolved. *gavel*
Bonus:
Lifelink used to be triggered. Cards that use the lifelink-type ability but don't actually HAVE lifelink ({Genju of the Fields} for one) can stack since they trigger. So if you activate Genju three times, if it deals 2 damage, you'll gain 6 life. This is not true for regular lifelink. However, since lifelink doesn't trigger, you can the life right as the creature deals it's damage, before the state is checked.
Say you are at 2 life. Your opponent attacks with two {Walking Dead} (2/2). You block one with a {Ajani's Sunstriker} (2/2 lifelink). You would live since you would gain 2 life at the same time as the unblocked zombie mauls you.leaving you at two.
genius actually says the plains becomes "2/5 with 'lifelink'", so transforming him multiple times wouldn't make them multiple creatures, nor have multiple instances of the ability, would it?
Nope. When they created the lifelink template, they applied it to all the relevant cards in Oracle. If you check the Oracle wording, it does not say Lifelink so you can do this combo.
(also, it's in the specific card rulings ;))
Quote from: BlackJester on August 05, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
Nope. When they created the lifelink template, they applied it to all the relevant cards in Oracle. If you check the Oracle wording, it does not say Lifelink so you can do this combo.
(also, it's in the specific card rulings ;))
What I am saying is, it will becomes a 2/5 WITH the effect. then you activate again, it will become 2/5 with a single stance of the effect again, won't it? Unless it said "becomes 2/5 and gets the effect", which it doesn't. I may be understanding wrong though...
It doesn't make it a new creature, it just overwrites the P/T and adds a new ability. If it had any other abilities it would keep those too.
Armadillo cloak on a lifelinked creature is nice as armadillo cloak does not give the creature lifelink. Double life. Yay.
So {armadillo cloak} is stackable but lifelink is not. Correct?
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on September 27, 2012, 06:59:54 PM
So {armadillo cloak} is stackable but lifelink is not. Correct?
You gots it.
So if I have a {greenweaver Druid} and a level 5 {joraga tree speaker} in play together, does the Druid now tap for 4 G?
Nope. It'll have two versions of the same ability: "{T}: add {G}{G} to your mana pool."
Weird question, but I think it still kind of fits into the "stacking abilities" question: if I have two {corpsejack menace} out on the field and I scavange a {deadbridge Goliath}, does one of my {corpsejack menace} get +20 +20?
Quote from: Justink on October 06, 2012, 11:49:31 AM
Weird question, but I think it still kind of fits into the "stacking abilities" question: if I have two {corpsejack menace} out on the field and I scavange a {deadbridge Goliath}, does one of my {corpsejack menace} get +20 +20?
Yup. Now activate that {rogue's passage} and swing! ;)
Does {Pyreheart Wolf's} ability stack? And on the same note does {Madcap Skills}
Quote from: Malleo on February 12, 2013, 09:44:57 PM
Does {Pyreheart Wolf's} ability stack? And on the same note does {Madcap Skills}
The +3/+0 on madcap will stack. However the blockers clauses on both of those cards would be a redundancy - no matter how many copies of "this creature can only be blocked by two or more creatures" you put on your attacker, it will say "this creature can only be blocked by two or more creatures."