So with the return to ravnica a believe we will see a goblin planeswalker. Possible a version of krenko. Also I think when the planes finally shift back to domaria we will be getting Urza as a PW.
probably no because it'd be odd to have a creature turn into a planeswalker immediately. and definitely no because urza is not only dead but dead without a spark.
Let's put it this way if they print urza his ultimate would say win the game. They can't print him for multiple reasons but the overpowered factor is pretty big
well post mending all planeswalkers were nerfed. But if we take karn and bolas for example urza would still be more powerful than them.
Most likely goblin planeswalkers would be {squi} or {Kiki jiki}
Well they could make a version of Urza from when he first became a PW before he unlocked the multiverse's secrets.
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 15, 2012, 12:51:00 PM
Most likely goblin planeswalkers would be {squi} or {Kiki jiki}
{Squee}
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 15, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
Well they could make a version of Urza from when he first became a PW before he unlocked the multiverse's secrets.
after the lorwyn 5 an core sets they've made sure the planeswalkers are alive and relevant to the plane in question when printed.
I would like to know where all this info is coming from.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 15, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
Well they could make a version of Urza from when he first became a PW before he unlocked the multiverse's secrets.
after the lorwyn 5 an core sets they've made sure the planeswalkers are alive and relevant to the plane in question when printed.
🎶Let's do the {Time Warp} again!🎶
He would be alive and relevant to me. And correct me if I'm wrong but everything about the death of Urza is pure speculation. While he is believed to be dead nobody is absolutely sure since he just disappeared?
... gerrard cut off his head.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
... gerrard cut off his head.
Scarssabrex just became the lore guy
albeit that didn't kill him since he was a pre mending planeswalker but then he gave his spark to karn forfeiting his near immortality. so dead.
But his decapitated head talked to Gerrad so who knows. Plus did he give all his spark to Karn or only enough to bring him to life? I believe he is alive out there finishing his work in peace.
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 15, 2012, 01:38:20 PM
But his decapitated head talked to Gerrad so who knows. Plus did he give all his spark to Karn or only enough to bring him to life? I believe he is alive out there finishing his work in peace.
you need a full spark to be a planeswalker. going halvsies demotes you to a non planeswalker and only restores te recipents life. karn became a planeswalker erego urza was left a dead decapitated head.
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
apocalypse urza sacrifices his spark to karn. karn becomes a planeswalker.
fifth dawn slobad uses glissas spark to revive her, neither are planeswalkers after this point.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
apocalypse urza sacrifices his spark to karn. karn becomes a planeswalker.
fifth dawn slobad uses glissas spark to revive her, neither are planeswalkers after this point.
So, where is urza during the ice age? Phyrexia? Because it was said he was either held there by the dark lords, or killed along with mishra in the devistation.
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
apocalypse urza sacrifices his spark to karn. karn becomes a planeswalker.
fifth dawn slobad uses glissas spark to revive her, neither are planeswalkers after this point.
So, where is urza during the ice age? Phyrexia? Because it was said he was either held there by the dark lords, or killed along with mishra in the devistation.
urza became a planeswalker after ice age. urza's decapitation is in a {phyrexian arena} during invasion. during apocalypse he powers karn who then destroys phyrexia for almost good, f---ing {glistening oil}
Okay, so he doesn't die.
But where is he during the ice age?
Jodah, Archmage Eternal is urza's descendant. Jodah lives for thousands of years without gaining the spark, but helps planeswalkers gain their own.
So urza MUST have either become as powerful as Jodah, or became a planeswalker PRIOR to the ice age.
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
Okay, so he doesn't die.
But where is he during the ice age?
Jodah, Archmage Eternal is urza's descendant. Jodah lives for thousands of years without gaining the spark, but helps planeswalkers gain their own.
So urza MUST have either become as powerful as Jodah, or became a planeswalker PRIOR to the ice age.
the former and jodah isn't a descendant, he's somewhere else along the bloodline.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
Okay, so he doesn't die.
But where is he during the ice age?
Jodah, Archmage Eternal is urza's descendant. Jodah lives for thousands of years without gaining the spark, but helps planeswalkers gain their own.
So urza MUST have either become as powerful as Jodah, or became a planeswalker PRIOR to the ice age.
the former and jodah isn't a descendant, he's somewhere else along the bloodline.
His grandmother was the granddaughter of jarkled which is urza's grandson.
Long long long time. But it describes it clearly in the books.
wait... what are we arguing?
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
wait... what are we arguing?
You said Jodah was just in the bloodline, I showed how he was related, technically, to urza.
no before that, (I concede the jodah point I was wrong) when you said I was making up lore.
I admitted being wrong, just wanted to have a lore conversation. As I enjoy it. Lol
Keep going please. I'm interested.
Quote from: Leviathan on July 15, 2012, 05:40:24 PM
Keep going please. I'm interested.
What did you want to know? I've read almost all of the books.
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Leviathan on July 15, 2012, 05:40:24 PM
Keep going please. I'm interested.
What did you want to know? I've read almost all of the books.
Everything lol
Okay, so, everything began with Urza and Mishra. Two brothers who would often help each other a lot! Urza was the more booksmart type of guy. Mishra was more of a worker. He was much bigger than urza but they respected each other just the same. They split up to do their own things once they get older and much lead a much different life. They come tO hate each other during the course of their seperation. Which, in a nutshell, becomes an all out war. Mishra opens up a "portal" to Phyerixia where he makes a wager with the "dark lords". Which in turn is the end of the both of them.
Anyways, hundreds of years later A man named Jodah appears to learn magic, which was restricted by the church of Tal. They police the country and the city states. They're ultimately whipes out after hundreds of years. The story picks back up with Jodah being thousands of years old and he is basically immortal. He is greeted by a necromancer named Lim-Dul. Jodah ends up kidnapped in lim-dulls fortress and escapes with our friendly planeswalker {Jaya Ballard, task mage}. Not yet a planeswalker anyways. She has to revive Jodah because he could go mad with this poisen. So she calls forth the planeswalker Freyalise to help aid him. After realizing she owes Jodah a debt for helping her find her spark, she agrees to help him.
Yada yada ect ect. Jodah transcends with Freyalise to stay with her by her side.
(I missed the thran, but I can't remember if it was before or after urza and mishra.)
Anyways, there's a lot more, but that's pretty much the start of it.
May hafta find the books.
Quote from: Leviathan on July 15, 2012, 06:06:21 PM
May hafta find the books.
Well worth it.
They're on amazon for 99 cents to 2$ I'm pretty sure.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
apocalypse urza sacrifices his spark to karn. karn becomes a planeswalker.
fifth dawn slobad uses glissas spark to revive her, neither are planeswalkers after this point.
So does Gerard kill urza then? As shown in {Phyrexian Arena}?
Do they still write or are they all web comics now?
Quote from: Leviathan on July 15, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
Do they still write or are they all web comics now?
Unfortunaty they do not write the novels anymore. Been years. Tey have some physical comic books that come with some promo cards, but I haven't read them, because they are all of the newer sets.
I read the first new comic book, it was cool. I feel like it moved a little slow for a comic book and would do better in a graphic novel setting at least.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 15, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 15, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Lol.
I think making up lore isn't the same.
If in wrong, show me in which novel does it describe everything you're talking about.
apocalypse urza sacrifices his spark to karn. karn becomes a planeswalker.
fifth dawn slobad uses glissas spark to revive her, neither are planeswalkers after this point.
So, where is urza during the ice age? Phyrexia? Because it was said he was either held there by the dark lords, or killed along with mishra in the devistation.
urza became a planeswalker after ice age. urza's decapitation is in a {phyrexian arena} during invasion. during apocalypse he powers karn who then destroys phyrexia for almost good, f---ing {glistening oil}
If not for the oil, we'd have no scars, besieged, or new phyrexia
Urza and Mishra feud started because they both want both pieces of a broken powerstone. Urza half was called the might stone and Mishra's was called the meek stone. These stones where used to lock yawgmoth in phyrexia back in the days of the Thran. When urza and Mishra removed the stone it allowed yawgmoth to be able to go back to dominaria. Mishra then was swayed by a phyrexian demon called Gix, and was in turn converted to a phyrexian machine.
Urza became a Planeswalker when he set off the sylex blast that ended the brothers war, then I think he spent a lot of time on other planes before comming back to dominaria.