If I have a {Dread Slaver} and it kills a {Young Wolf} without a counter do I get the wolf or does my opponent
I believe it depends on who's turn it is. If its your turn, your slaver's ability will go I. The stack first, and then the wolf's. This would cause the wolf's ability to resolve first, leaning nothing for your slaver to target. If I am correct in this, it should be the opposite if it's your opponents turn.
On the stack* sorry lol
Correct Keyeto. Whoever's turn it isn't will get the puppy.
So it comes down to players priority? If I'm understanding it correctly, the stack still confuses me on some issues.
Yes. The player who's turn it is has priority, thus their ability goes on the stack first.
First in last out, and the person whos turn it is gets to do things first.
If that scenario Is correct then how does Sorin get the wolf? My understanding is Sorin and the Dread slaver produce replacement affects that trump the wolf's.
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 12, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
If that scenario Is correct then how does Sorin get the wolf? My understanding is Sorin and the Dread slaver produce replacement affects that trump the wolf's.
Sorin? Where'd HE come from in this discussion?
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 12, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
If that scenario Is correct then how does Sorin get the wolf? My understanding is Sorin and the Dread slaver produce replacement affects that trump the wolf's.
dread slaver does not create a replacement effect. it has a triggered ability. Sorin also does not create a replacement effect you do all of his ultimate during it's resolution. a replacement effect would probably negate the effectiveness of the dreadslaver and sorin.
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 12, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 12, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
If that scenario Is correct then how does Sorin get the wolf? My understanding is Sorin and the Dread slaver produce replacement affects that trump the wolf's.
dread slaver does not create a replacement effect. it has a triggered ability. Sorin also does not create a replacement effect you do all of his ultimate during it's resolution. a replacement effect would probably negate the effectiveness of the dreadslaver and sorin.
Ah yes, I see what you were asking now. And yes, a replacement effect like {Blightsteel Colossus} would not work with either {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad} or {Dread Slaver}. It never goes to the gy, it goes back into the library, so even Sorin can't grab it. (I also know that Sorin can't destroy the indestructible Colossus, but that's beside the point.)
Still doesn't answer the question on how Sorin gets the wolf but the dread slaver doesn't?
Quote from: Xanzurth on July 12, 2012, 12:15:45 PM
Still doesn't answer the question on how Sorin gets the wolf but the dread slaver doesn't?
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 12, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
dread slaver does not create a replacement effect. it has a triggered ability. Sorin also does not create a replacement effect you do all of his ultimate during it's resolution. a replacement effect would probably negate the effectiveness of the dreadslaver and sorin.
scars already answered it.
In the case of Sorin, he destroys and steals as part of a single ability resolution. anything that would trigger while a spell or ability is resolving (undying/slaver) waits until after it's finished to get put on the stack. By the time Undying would trigger, the puppy is already back from the dead and humping Sorin's leg.
Ok I see I was missing the trigger man I can be so blind sometimes. Lol about the puppy