I understand that people just want to make fun time fnm decks sometimes. I just don't think publicly announcing them should be warranted. I know there is no fun deck consensus for some people because they are really trying to make an original deck. Well I applaud your creativity but you've got to live in reality a bit. There's only about 240 cards in the upcoming set m13 and i dont count many cards that are worth playing for tournament play.
You've go to apply what you think you currently know About standard (or whatever format, but mostly this one) to what this meta game is and try to predict what may come of it. That's magic. Every time you go to a big tournament the meta game evolves to its surroundings. Whether it be regionals, states, scg trials, ptq trials etc etc. you have Ito adapt to what you think will happen. So get out others and ascertain a knowledge of what people are playing!
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Sorry for posting so pessemistically, asversely, and downheartdly to say the least. I also posted too early. I just think people don't do their research before they post with a select few to be exempt. Because everyone makes mistakes now and then.
Also sorry for typos. The iPhone s quite unforgiving for not being literal.
Welcome to the internet friend! This is a place where people can post and say whatever they want freely. Feel free to browse the forum and view our topics or simply ignore the ones that don't interest you. If you don't like something, ignore it.
Just because some people don't want to net deck the tier one decks. That everyone sees on a weekly basis multiple times over, does not mean their decks do not work. I have made 4 color control that stomped the tier ones same for my old naya titans last rotation, esper walkers and a blue green that surpised some of the best players at my shop. I prosonily like seeing more decks on here other then just 40 copies of the same 3 decks with only two-six card differances if you think someone's deck need help then throw out suggestions. That is how people learn. Now go back to your mageblade/wolf run ramp or what ever tier one you must run.
Well I am of the belief that Standard forum is for posting competitive decks. And casual is more for home brew, kitchen table stuff.
Not that everything posted in this aren't competitive, but some things really aren't. But if they fill the Standard requirement, more power to em.
Quote from: smokin terry on July 05, 2012, 09:38:19 AM
Just because some people don't want to net deck the tier one decks. That everyone sees on a weekly basis multiple times over, does not mean their decks do not work. I have made 4 color control that stomped the tier ones same for my old naya titans last rotation, esper walkers and a blue green that surpised some of the best players at my shop. I prosonily like seeing more decks on here other then just 40 copies of the same 3 decks with only two-six card differances if you think someone's deck need help then throw out suggestions. That is how people learn. Now go back to your mageblade/wolf run ramp or what ever tier one you must run.
Very well said.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 05, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
Well I am of the belief that Standard forum is for posting competitive decks. And casual is more for home brew, kitchen table stuff.
Not that everything posted in this aren't competitive, but some things really aren't. But if they fill the Standard requirement, more power to em.
That's more or less what I was trying to convey.
I'm sorry that people like my self can't make a fun competitive deck. I guess this forum section should be filled with nothing but the same 3 to maybe 4 deck build and everyone telling them to put the same cards in. I my self don't like reading the same cereal box every morning it block the flow of ideas.
Quote from: smokin terry on July 05, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
I'm sorry that people like my self can't make a fun competitive deck. I guess this forum section should be filled with nothing but the same 3 to maybe 4 deck build and everyone telling them to put the same cards in. I my self don't like reading the same cereal box every morning it block the flow of ideas.
And I agree. Some of these guys do have some great ideasfore fun rogue decks. It just seems like they are often my underdeveloped before they post about it on a forum. And that's not just on this forum either.
Why do we play magic? Because its fun and thrilling to try to win, or to just play. Why do we play standard? Because it is a more competitive style AND because some people enjoy the challenge of a limited card base. Don't hate on decks just because they arn't winning machines. Enjoy the ingenuity and provide friendly support with deck were you see flaws. That's my opinion.
/soapbox
Quote from: Kaziklu on July 05, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on July 05, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
I'm sorry that people like my self can't make a fun competitive deck. I guess this forum section should be filled with nothing but the same 3 to maybe 4 deck build and everyone telling them to put the same cards in. I my self don't like reading the same cereal box every morning it block the flow of ideas.
And I agree. Some of these guys do have some great ideasfore fun rogue decks. It just seems like they are often my underdeveloped before they post about it on a forum. And that's not just on this forum either.
Okay hang on. These forums and others are for the purpose of making decks better and more competitive. I myself don't have a team of magic players to sit for hours and build and test. These forums are my group and each member a teammate. It's a community for a reason. We help each other to make our ideas more focused and competitive. If you can't handle that or ignore the people who do it, then why are you here?
I feel like some things are being over looked. Im fairly new at this forum, but i get a sense that this forum is intended for what you will take to fnm or how to take a jank idea and make it worth fnm. I have posted winning decks that are not even close to the general top teir and recieved little to know feed back or questions about the decks. It seems if the deck already wins then people feel no need to make it better (or worse not figure out why it wins). Most of the players on here are either short budget or short collection (im short budget, but my collection is pooled with two others and through smart trades i can build anythig without swords). They need to know how to make their what seems kitchen table deck into a good fnm without breaking the bank.
If this is a real problem for more than one person, maybe we need a code tag for competitive threads that will hint top players that this thread is worth their time.
Quote from: Kaziklu on July 05, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on July 05, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
I'm sorry that people like my self can't make a fun competitive deck. I guess this forum section should be filled with nothing but the same 3 to maybe 4 deck build and everyone telling them to put the same cards in. I my self don't like reading the same cereal box every morning it block the flow of ideas.
And I agree. Some of these guys do have some great ideasfore fun rogue decks. It just seems like they are often my underdeveloped before they post about it on a forum. And that's not just on this forum either.
I understand that. A lot of people do not know how to make a great competitive deck because they may not be developed deck builders which will constrict the stability of a deck. One of the most constricting thing in building decks is the ability of making a almost perfect land base. After shards people stopped making +3 color decks and that stopped new ideas and combos from being found. I for one can't play a deck with less than three colors anymore. I've seen a lot of decks on here that is the main problem is land base. Or the obvious lack of the need cards or money to get them. But I see a lot of people change their deck to the suggestions that people give. I also don't see a lot of suggestions.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 05, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
If this is a real problem for more than one person, maybe we need a code tag for competitive threads that will hint top players that this thread is worth their time.
I think that is a good idea. I have seen many decks not commented on because it is hard to tell if it is for competitive or mainly fun. So suggestions are hard to give.
Not many people I've seen will post suggestions anymore, I'm not sure why but I'm sure it's because the title of the deck doesn't interest them that much. Idk about the different threads for competitive or fun things. I'm not for sure how that would work out. It'd probably be about the same as it is now.
Quote from: smokin terry on July 05, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
I think that is a good idea. I have seen many decks not commented on because it is hard to tell if it is for competitive or mainly fun. So suggestions are hard to give.
The definately a problem for me, most the decks I win with are underplayed achitypes that will soon see too much play, or a fun deck for me that happens to counter the meta well enough to place me top 4 regularly.
Should we just add "comp." to the tital of the decks that are meant to win 1st?
Quote from: Kaziklu on July 05, 2012, 04:41:31 AM
I understand that people just want to make fun time fnm decks sometimes. I just don't think publicly announcing them should be warranted. I know there is no fun deck consensus for some people because they are really trying to make an original deck. Well I applaud your creativity but you've got to live in reality a bit. There's only about 240 cards in the upcoming set m13 and i dont count many cards that are worth playing for tournament play.
You've go to apply what you think you currently know About standard (or whatever format, but mostly this one) to what this meta game is and try to predict what may come of it. That's magic. Every time you go to a big tournament the meta game evolves to its surroundings. Whether it be regionals, states, scg trials, ptq trials etc etc. you have Ito adapt to what you think will happen. So get out others and ascertain a knowledge of what people are playing!
If u think my deck sucks than meet up with me on cockatrice and I can show you it is pretty competive. Otherwise if u don't like what you see keep scrolling down. It's not that hard I do it all the time. It is a real deck. I have taken it to FNM 2 times and done well I just need to work the kinks out that is why I post it. So I can get feedback. If you want net decks just goggle.
Honestly I don't see the problem with playin a fun deck that is decently consistent. I like to build decks for the lulz that win with different creatures and abilities. I like building red decks where I win turn 3-4 and it can't be stopped.
What's the big deal with people asking for suggestions or help? I'm on a budget and I like seeing pauper decks that are actually competitive! If you understand how a deck works or what the deck maker is going for, then make suggestions or ideas. I hate seeing decks that are "just add swords, jitte" so BORING. I have a friend who loved the idea of magic and got into it and bought cards but now he's disillusioned with magic because it seems more and more to him that the more money you can spend on cards is what makes you win. I hate that and I'll purposely make decks to prove that the rare decks are NOT what wins but people like OP only want the top 8 decks THAT WIN TOURNEYS. sorry we don't all play at Jon Finkel's level dude. Some people just want to enjoy the game.
The main problem I have about posting suggestions is I'm one that needs to see the cards (especially now that I'm getting back in after most of a whole block) and I look at the mechanics of cards not type. That is my problem with deck builders, they set up creature here, instants here, ect. For me to truly help with a deck I look at like draw here, big hitter here, spot removal here, board wipe there, ramp there, and so on. That is the main reason I don't help as much. I kinda can't.
I mean the bottom line here is that this topic section is titled standard. Not standard competitive. NOt top 8 standard. Not even standard fnm. Just standard. And standard, while a factor of tournament rules is also a format for deck building regardless of their status in local or regional tournament placings. Let people post whatever decks they want whether it be tourny, pauper, or just for the Lulz. Honestly this whole threat is stupid. If u don't want to see people's non tournament deck then don't. Just don't read deck lists and post. There are enough people on this forum that it can get along just fine. Seriously if u can spend the two minutes to give someone your thoughts that cool but either shut the hell up or show yourself out for all I am concerned. This app is about helping each other and learning how to build decks and that is more than just net decking. Let people brew their own and just don't comment but don't make people feel bad because their decks arent what you feel to be worthy of you precious time
Quote from: Agrajagzz9 on July 06, 2012, 07:42:17 AM
I mean the bottom line here is that this topic section is titled standard. Not standard competitive. NOt top 8 standard. Not even standard fnm. Just standard. And standard, while a factor of tournament rules is also a format for deck building regardless of their status in local or regional tournament placings. Let people post whatever decks they want whether it be tourny, pauper, or just for the Lulz. Honestly this whole threat is stupid. If u don't want to see people's non tournament deck then don't. Just don't read deck lists and post. There are enough people on this forum that it can get along just fine. Seriously if u can spend the two minutes to give someone your thoughts that cool but either shut the hell up or show yourself out for all I am concerned. This app is about helping each other and learning how to build decks and that is more than just net decking. Let people brew their own and just don't comment but don't make people feel bad because their decks arent what you feel to be worthy of you precious time
Very well said!
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 05, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
I feel like some things are being over looked. Im fairly new at this forum, but i get a sense that this forum is intended for what you will take to fnm or how to take a jank idea and make it worth fnm. I have posted winning decks that are not even close to the general top teir and recieved little to know feed back or questions about the decks. It seems if the deck already wins then people feel no need to make it better (or worse not figure out why it wins). Most of the players on here are either short budget or short collection (im short budget, but my collection is pooled with two others and through smart trades i can build anythig without swords). They need to know how to make their what seems kitchen table deck into a good fnm without breaking the bank.
If this is a real problem for more than one person, maybe we need a code tag for competitive threads that will hint top players that this thread is worth their time.
X2
But I play in many different standard settings, so I find everything I see here, I learn from.
Quote from: bravado883 on July 06, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
Yeah, sorry, but this is kinda lame. Just skip threads you're not interested in, that's what I do every time someone posts u/w delver.
And where would noobs go for help if not here? The point of this forum us for players to get advice so they can improve their play, regardless of the deck. As a pretty seasoned player myself, I think some of these off-the-wall decks are actually pretty helpful. They help us look outside the delver/pod/solar flare archetypes that are swamping standard right now. And even if many of these decks are not competitive, they might put forth interesting card interactions some more senior players might overlook.
The day I feel like I deserve to be separated from less experienced players is the day I will no longer want to play Magic. Just my two cents.
^ this.
I enjoy chatting with newer and older players, either way you learn something you may not have already known. I like having the forums open to new ideas and homebrews. It can get your own mind thinking.
The logic of the forum is that, if you post a deck the Standard section, by virtue of the fact that you didn't post it in Casual, means you intend the deck to be competitive. By posting in this section, you are presenting your deck to the community either for aid to make your deck better, or to educate others. Bare in mind that there are many novices here looking for guidance, and their decks may require work to reach a competitive state.
If members have a personal spin on the latest RUG Delver or Wolf's Run or whatever, feel free to pass it by if you are not interested.
Please feel free to label decks FNM, PTQ or other such labels so that readers can see immediately what competitive level is expected, and critique accordingly.
Let's keep this community fun and troll-lite (I can't expect a troll free zone, this IS the internet after all). ;D
Oh bj. ;)
Well said jester. I personally have greatly enjoyed the sheer creativity of those who post here, but i am a little sad when i see multiple beginner decks in a row. Is there a thread for the basic concepts of building competitive decks already? If not i would love to get one stickied so a lot of the basic questions people ask can be answered real quick.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 06, 2012, 04:28:52 PM
Well said jester. I personally have greatly enjoyed the sheer creativity of those who post here, but i am a little sad when i see multiple beginner decks in a row. Is there a thread for the basic concepts of building competitive decks already? If not i would love to get one stickied so a lot of the basic questions people ask can be answered real quick.
Problem is, the resources are out there. If they don't look there, they're unlikely to look at the stickied "Start Here" area. Many times I answer rules questions that players could find for themselves in the stickied Rule Book. But, since you asked:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/188
Gavin Verhey's series ReConstructed is a great resource on competitive deck building and analysis.
My RDW's are pretty much undefeated, and def not "tier one". But I have found casual play with friends and limited tourney's much more satisfying lately.
And yes, I spank tier one on the regular with my RDW and RW "Jynx special".
Quote from: Dudecore on July 05, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
Well I am of the belief that Standard forum is for posting competitive decks. And casual is more for home brew, kitchen table stuff.
Not that everything posted in this aren't competitive, but some things really aren't. But if they fill the Standard requirement, more power to em.
Please excuse me since I'm still quite new here, but my first impression of the Standard forum is a forum for decks simply using Standard cards. The casual forum is for decks using any cards and so on and so forth. I did not see anything that complicates this view at all.
Quote from: Kanegasi on July 07, 2012, 04:13:55 AM
Please excuse me since I'm still quite new here, but my first impression of the Standard forum is a forum for decks simply using Standard cards. The casual forum is for decks using any cards and so on and so forth. I did not see anything that complicates this view at all.
This is my view too.
The casual forum is for casual decks, regardless of card legalities and format. Otherwise, most decks would fall under Modern or Legacy.
The only exceptions to this are Commander decks, since they have unique builds and are assumed to be casual anyway.
I'm exasperated on how this thread still goes on. If a deck meets standard criteria, it's posted here. If you don't like the deck, dont post on it. If you have suggestions and would like to share, then share. I don't see how beneficial it is to bitch and moan about OMGCRAPPYDECKZZZ, when mostly they come from newer/poorer players just trying to get some decent feedback. This is also true for the anti OMGNETDECKINGSUCKORZZZZ. You're creative, awesome. It's nice to see a change of pace, but having a holier than thou attitude about not net decking because you don't want to be a cookie cutter is the same exact mindset as those whom you also bitch about.
Breathe, relax, help each other, have fun, and more importantly, try to harbor a friendly environment conducive to bringing in more people to magic so more people can have fun and spread the game even more. I am by far not your stereotypical gamer, and seeing nerd rages about stupid crap is just a turn off. Bring your deck, play by the rules, and see whom wins, not really a hard concept :)
You just nerd raged. Lol
Quote from: CajunJynx on July 07, 2012, 02:51:02 AM
And yes, I spank tier one on the regular with my RDW and RW "Jynx special".
Noobs play RDW
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on July 07, 2012, 02:51:02 AM
And yes, I spank tier one on the regular with my RDW and RW "Jynx special".
Noobs play RDW
Or people who don't normally play standard but need a deck for fnm.
Quote from: Kuberr on July 07, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
You just nerd raged. Lol
It's past my nap time :)
This thread is gayer than a 5$ football bat
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
This thread is gayer than a 5$ football bat
My mind was just BLOWN
Quote from: Kuberr on July 07, 2012, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
This thread is gayer than a 5$ football bat
I'm probably getting whooshed, but wtf is a football bat lol
My mind was just BLOWN
Quote from: Jbombard51 on July 07, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 07, 2012, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
This thread is gayer than a 5$ football bat
I'm probably getting whooshed, but wtf is a football bat lol
My mind was just BLOWN
That's exactly correct, sir.
Instead of using cliche gayer than a 3 dollar bill, I use 5$ football bat......
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on July 07, 2012, 02:51:02 AM
And yes, I spank tier one on the regular with my RDW and RW "Jynx special".
LOL, didn't you ask me for help with a RDW not to long ago? Troll attempt denied;). And I have been playing RDW for FNM for years, even built a rep on this forum for being particularly good with it, just like BJ is a hater.
Noobs play RDW
Ahahaha, I've never asked for help with RDW. If you'd like to prove otherwise, I'll wait.
I'm just yankin your chain about RDW anyways man haha
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 07, 2012, 02:13:06 PM
Ahahaha, I've never asked for help with RDW. If you'd like to prove otherwise, I'll wait.
I'm just yankin your chain about RDW anyways man haha
Suuuuure:) no big, brother. I could tell.
I'd win easy. :D