Can u use {redirect} on a planeswalker's + or - ability
No because {redirect} only applies to spells not abilities
I had to {redirect} your question. 8)
If you use {redirect} on a counter like {cancel} to attempt to counter it. would it be possible to cause {cancel} to target itself or would the play be to target the {redirect}? Please explain the minor details of this situation because I don't want to look stupid at fnm :) thanks
Yup. Cancel is a spell on the stack and you can change the target to itself.
Quote from: Maximo on August 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Yup. Cancel is a spell on the stack and you can change the target to itself.
{Cancel} and other counters cannot target themselves. But you can redirect the cancel to target the {Redirect}. It's the first card ruling (either in the app or on Gatherer)
Quote from: BlackJester on August 09, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Maximo on August 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Yup. Cancel is a spell on the stack and you can change the target to itself.
{Cancel} and other counters cannot target themselves. But you can redirect the cancel to target the {Redirect}. It's the first card ruling (either in the app or on Gatherer)
Ok this was what I was thinking and couldn't find the rulings to confirm it. Thanks!
Defeated!
What about using {redirect} on a creature-spell would you get that creature ? Iv always wondered this but never seen a ruling
The rulings say that I'd you use {redirect} on a creature it will have no effect.
Works with {Commandeer} though.
Actually commander doesn't work on creatures
LOL You got me. It DOES work on non-creature permanent spell on the stack, though. That's what I was thinking, I forgot about the non-creature stipulation. :o
Quote from: BlackJester on August 09, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Maximo on August 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Yup. Cancel is a spell on the stack and you can change the target to itself.
{Cancel} and other counters cannot target themselves. But you can redirect the cancel to target the {Redirect}. It's the first card ruling (either in the app or on Gatherer)
Wouldn't that cause a paradox on the stack, where cancel cancels the redirect which means it doesn't redirect the cancel which means it cancels its intended target anyway?
Once cancel cancels redirect it's been used it can't just magically recast itself onto the stack again. The spell is resolved and spent
Quote from: Alsojames on August 22, 2012, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 09, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Maximo on August 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Yup. Cancel is a spell on the stack and you can change the target to itself.
{Cancel} and other counters cannot target themselves. But you can redirect the cancel to target the {Redirect}. It's the first card ruling (either in the app or on Gatherer)
Wouldn't that cause a paradox on the stack, where cancel cancels the redirect which means it doesn't redirect the cancel which means it cancels its intended target anyway?
I just had an {Ambiguity} flashback. 😂
The redirect will resolve changing the counter's target. Then, as the Counter goes to resolve, it's target is not there and so IT does not resolve.