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Title: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Zingaiya on December 01, 2011, 02:16:25 PM
Enchant {Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind} with {Curiosity} and voila, infinite damage :D
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: King rabid rabbit on December 01, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
Nice combo!
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 04:40:55 AM
How do you stop this combo?
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Greg54js on April 12, 2012, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 04:40:55 AM
How do you stop this combo?

{curiosity} says you may draw so you choose not to draw
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: Greg54js on April 12, 2012, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 04:40:55 AM
How do you stop this combo?

{curiosity} says you may draw so you choose not to draw
no I mean as an opponent
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Bilygote on April 12, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
{Terror}
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
Not exactly infinite, if your opponent has more life than you have cards in your library...

{Witchbane Orb} will protect you.
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 12, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
Infinite dmg! Oh no! .... {doom blade}.

My face: ๐Ÿ˜

Opponents faces: ๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Greg54js on April 12, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
{naturalize} {ray of revelation}
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on April 12, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
Infinite dmg! Oh no! .... {doom blade}.

My face: ๐Ÿ˜

Opponents faces: ๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
Once they have the combo even if you {disenchant} or {doom blade} can't they still kill you before your spell can take effect?
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: cltrn81 on April 12, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on April 12, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
Infinite dmg! Oh no! .... {doom blade}.

My face: ๐Ÿ˜

Opponents faces: ๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
Once they have the combo even if you {disenchant} or {doom blade} can't they still kill you before your spell can take effect?

Yea you are kinda screwed if your opponent gets this combo on the BF.....unless you have an unlimited supply of {stiffles}
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You can break the combo, it's all in the timing. Kill it in response to the draw trigger being put on the stack. If they can draw another card in response, you need a second kill to respond to THAT. Otherwise, you're ๐Ÿ’€.

Basically, kill Niv.  Fast.
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: cltrn81 on April 12, 2012, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You can break the combo, it's all in the timing. Kill it in response to the draw trigger being put on the stack. If they can draw another card in response, you need a second kill to respond to THAT. Otherwise, you're ๐Ÿ’€.

Basically, kill Niv.  Fast.

๐Ÿ™bow down to the all knowing BlackJester.....you are the man when it comes to legalities.

๐ŸŽถwe're not worthy we're not worthy๐ŸŽถ

Anyone remember the movie that's โฌ† from?
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 05:31:00 PM
Hey, knowing the rules, especially timing, is what separates the crรฉme-de-lร -crรฉme (or 1337 from the n00bs for the rest of you).

Know the rules, you'll be a better player for it.

That's how I roll.   8)
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You can break the combo, it's all in the timing. Kill it in response to the draw trigger being put on the stack. If they can draw another card in response, you need a second kill to respond to THAT. Otherwise, you're ๐Ÿ’€.

Basically, kill Niv.  Fast.
So only solutions are {stifle} or kill creature before enchantment no other way out correct?
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 12, 2012, 07:18:52 PM
No. Even if the enchantment is still on it, you can still kill it. In response to him drawing a card, you can kill it with a spell. Jester was just saying that if he has another way to draw cards, you better have another way to kill it in response to that card being drawn. Your instant will be on the stack.
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
If Niv is untapped and unsummoning sick, or if they have a way to draw cards as a fast effect, you could be in trouble.
You want to kill it AFTER the first draw. You want the kill to resolve BEFORE the draw does. If they can draw again before Niv dies, you're screwed.
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 12, 2012, 08:32:19 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
If Niv is untapped and unsummoning sick, or if they have a way to draw cards as a fast effect, you could be in trouble.
You want to kill it AFTER the first draw. You want the kill to resolve BEFORE the draw does. If they can draw again before Niv dies, you're screwed.
I finally get what you are saying thanks
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Richardalcala on April 12, 2012, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 12, 2012, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 12, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You can break the combo, it's all in the timing. Kill it in response to the draw trigger being put on the stack. If they can draw another card in response, you need a second kill to respond to THAT. Otherwise, you're ๐Ÿ’€.

Basically, kill Niv.  Fast.

๐Ÿ™bow down to the all knowing BlackJester.....you are the man when it comes to legalities.

๐ŸŽถwe're not worthy we're not worthy๐ŸŽถ

Anyone remember the movie that's โฌ† from?

Party time excellent!
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: BoyMac on April 13, 2012, 05:30:08 AM
You could use {Time Stop} and if someone counters it then cast something with split second.
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Raven316 on April 13, 2012, 05:41:10 AM
Maybe {sudden spoiling}
Title: Re: Curiosity + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Post by: Fenster on April 18, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
I included {Someone of the Ghitu}
that gets out Niv with suspen 4 for 2 mana. Even if i dont get the mana i can play him + he comes in with haste.