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Title: Titans :(
Post by: Killin88 on June 20, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
Where are they in m13 my... My babies are they gone 'sniff'
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Killin88 on June 20, 2012, 12:18:38 PM
Prime time was too young only 4 years old whyyyyyy
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 12:38:26 PM
Bye bye my grave
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
People enjoy overpower sometimes and these were fun in the right deck
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
People enjoy overpower sometimes and these were fun in the right deck
Right so make them fun in another format. There's not only just standard. So get over that format and move to the next
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Aren't you allowed to use titans in other formats already
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.

^ This. 
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Fenster on June 20, 2012, 03:36:14 PM
Im curious about any replacements ^^
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Clearmario on June 20, 2012, 04:15:00 PM
Wizards said that re printing them in m12 was a mistake because of there power level and said they weren't going to be reprinted in m13
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 04:17:48 PM
Watch in a couple years a 1/1 for one win be way op
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
Yeah lol...
Attack with prime time. Then cloudshift it.
Now you have 4 extra lands and a powerful blocker.

That's why they didn't reprint...
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Imdowd80 on June 20, 2012, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
Yeah lol...
Attack with prime time. Then cloudshift it.
Now you have 4 extra lands and a powerful blocker.

That's why they didn't reprint...

Attack with"prime time" deon sanders ?  (confused smiley).  I mean he was pretty boss back in the day. But I don't know about as a Titan.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: scarsabrex on June 20, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
lol people think titans are op when we're about to get sublime archangel
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
If you're running black, it's simple enough to side in some kill cards. You don't have to main board them. 
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
If you're running black, it's simple enough to side in some kill cards. You don't have to main board them.
It's not a removal issue. It's an "oh hey I just dropped a 6/6 for 6 that's gonna go get my wolf run and win me the game" or "oh hey I'll drop my 6/6 for 6 and dome you for 3 with his ability and kill you"
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
If you're running black, it's simple enough to side in some kill cards. You don't have to main board them.
It's not a removal issue. It's an "oh hey I just dropped a 6/6 for 6 that's gonna go get my wolf run and win me the game" or "oh hey I'll drop my 6/6 for 6 and dome you for 3 with his ability and kill you"

I think Frost Titan is actually one of the more annoying ones.  His ETB and attack effect just makes it so you can't block, then if you want to remove him, you have to have an extra 2 mana.  Wtf, just die lol
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
If you're running black, it's simple enough to side in some kill cards. You don't have to main board them.
It's not a removal issue. It's an "oh hey I just dropped a 6/6 for 6 that's gonna go get my wolf run and win me the game" or "oh hey I'll drop my 6/6 for 6 and dome you for 3 with his ability and kill you"
"oh hey I've got a 4/4 infect for five that has flying and can regenerate and can have haste"
4/4 infect is like 8/8 normally soooo
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Yes an infect creature that you can't give haste to until turn 6 :p you can drop titans on turn 4-5.. Black doesn't have ramp. Your argument is invalid
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Oh quit crying. They were overpowered and made games dumb. I'm glad they're gone.
Yeah, because 6 mana for a 6/6 is overpowered. Oops!  Butthurt much?
It's not so much the power.  It's the power mixed with the abilities.  Frost and Inferno are real pains in the ass.  In my experience anyway.
{doom blade}
{oblivion ring}
Etc, etc

And if a deck doesn't have kill/removal?  My infect and graveborn don't.  They focus on moving quickly and not needing kill cards.  But say it's moving along fine and they ramp up to Prime Time, which doesn't take a whole lot, and they get more lands.  Now I've got an opponent with at least 8 lands and with green, that is exceptionally scary.  My big ol' Skithiryx isn't going to be doing much against that.  They've just turned the game around in the drop of 1 titan.
If you're running black, it's simple enough to side in some kill cards. You don't have to main board them.
It's not a removal issue. It's an "oh hey I just dropped a 6/6 for 6 that's gonna go get my wolf run and win me the game" or "oh hey I'll drop my 6/6 for 6 and dome you for 3 with his ability and kill you"
"oh hey I've got a 4/4 infect for five that has flying and can regenerate and can have haste"
4/4 infect is like 8/8 normally soooo

lol that is true.  Skithiryx is a bit broken.  I wouldn't see that though since I'm the only one I know in my local group that has one.  But, I'm the only one who doesn't have at least 1 Titan, either.  I have many times had to play against 2 Frosts and a Grave at the same time, or 2 Primes.  The titans stack.  Skittles is legendary.  A frost titan attacking knocks out Skittles and the Grave titan right behind him comes in for another 6 damage, and supplies my opponent with 2 2/2's.  My one Skithiryx isn't doing me a whole lot of good now, is he? ;)
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Yes an infect creature that you can't give haste to until turn 6 :p you can drop titans on turn 4-5.. Black doesn't have ramp. Your argument is invalid
Because you can't splash green with {woodland cemetery} for ramp
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Yes an infect creature that you can't give haste to until turn 6 :p you can drop titans on turn 4-5.. Black doesn't have ramp. Your argument is invalid
Because you can't splash green with {woodland cemetery} for ramp
Obviously you've never seen a deck with skittles
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 20, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 20, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Yes an infect creature that you can't give haste to until turn 6 :p you can drop titans on turn 4-5.. Black doesn't have ramp. Your argument is invalid
Because you can't splash green with {woodland cemetery} for ramp
Obviously you've never seen a deck with skittles
I have. But that doesn't mean you can't be creative.
Turn one {glistener elf}
Turn two {rampant growth}
Turn three {solemn simulacrum}
Turn four Skittles with haste
Turn five your opponent hates you
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 05:35:03 PM
T1 birds
T2 somberwald
T3 you have GGGGGGG

It is very possible to cast titan t3 AND have an extra mana for another birds!!!
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Replace that Titan with the dragon
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 08:53:50 PM
Replace that dragon with the titan.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
I'm just saying that it is that easy to work this with blight dragon
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Titan leaves something behind if removed. Dragon does not. You can chump block the dragon with flier. Titan has trample. Would I rather have the dragon? Yes. Am I still commited to defending the lovable titan? Yes.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
Also, it would be much easier to make a green deck with Prime time than it would be to make a g/b deck with skittles.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 11:08:51 PM
No I'll never accept that
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 20, 2012, 11:12:27 PM
{Sun Titan}
{Frost Titan}
{Grave Titan}
{Inferno Titan}
{Primeval Titan}
{Skitherix, the Blight Dragon}
Just so we all have a reference.
Also Prime Time is worth more than skittles.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 20, 2012, 11:08:51 PM
No I'll never accept that

What?  Do you find building G/B decks easier than building mono green?
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Willthomjr on June 21, 2012, 02:00:32 AM
The only real threat in titans is prime time. The others are ok, but wolf ramp is tier 1 deck and the supporting cards like inkmoth, green sun, slag storm, spheres of the sun are all rotating. So like people talking about how delvers power will go when scars rotates I too see prime time power going down and not really being that big of a factor...anyone else agree?
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol. 
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: smokin terry on June 21, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol.
If I try to make a deck that has less than 3 colors in it, it does horrible. At one point I was running 4 color control in standard that didn't have blue that did really well.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Greg54js on June 21, 2012, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on June 21, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol.
If I try to make a deck that has less than 3 colors in it, it does horrible. At one point I was running 4 color control in standard that didn't have blue that did really well.
What???? A control deck with no blue?!?!!
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: scarsabrex on June 21, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
it's probably more midrange.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Willthomjr on June 22, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 21, 2012, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on June 21, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol.
If I try to make a deck that has less than 3 colors in it, it does horrible. At one point I was running 4 color control in standard that didn't have blue that did really well.
What???? A control deck with no blue?!?!!

Proposterous!
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Millionlittlee on June 22, 2012, 12:24:08 AM
I can see it
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: BlackJester on June 22, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
{B}{R} control.
{W}{B} control.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: Brandalog on June 22, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on June 22, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 21, 2012, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on June 21, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol.
If I try to make a deck that has less than 3 colors in it, it does horrible. At one point I was running 4 color control in standard that didn't have blue that did really well.
What???? A control deck with no blue?!?!!

Proposterous!

Haha, I've played against it many many times, it doesn't need blue to be hella annoying. It worked really nicely. Granted that was when man lands were in.
Title: Re: Titans :(
Post by: smokin terry on June 22, 2012, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Brandalog on June 22, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on June 22, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: Greg54js on June 21, 2012, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: smokin terry on June 21, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 21, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 21, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Yes dual color decks Are easier for me to make

I am quite jealous :(. I've never been good at building dual colored decks.  I like me some mono black though lol.
If I try to make a deck that has less than 3 colors in it, it does horrible. At one point I was running 4 color control in standard that didn't have blue that did really well.
What???? A control deck with no blue?!?!!

Proposterous!

Haha, I've played against it many many times, it doesn't need blue to be hella annoying. It worked really nicely. Granted that was when man lands were in.
Yep a crap ton I field control and two of each man land I could run. Two prime to fish out, hit hard, or got control out of there hand.