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Title: Does this work
Post by: Leviathan on June 20, 2012, 02:00:17 AM
{Noxious Hatchling} + {Torpur Orb}???
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 02:35:51 AM
They do not interract in any way unless a third card is involved.

If you are talking about it not entering with counters, here's what counts:

If it said "when it enters the battlefield, put x counters...", then the orb would stop the counters. But it says that it enters the battlefield with them already on, just like the other abilities in its rules text. So torpor orb won't affect anything here.
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Leviathan on June 20, 2012, 02:43:46 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 20, 2012, 02:35:51 AM
They do not interract in any way unless a third card is involved.

If you are talking about it not entering with counters, here's what counts:

If it said "when it enters the battlefield, put x counters...", then the orb would stop the counters. But it says that it enters the battlefield with them already on, just like the other abilities in its rules text. So torpor orb won't affect anything here.

That's what I needed to know, thanks man
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
It says if you cast a black or green spell then remove the counters.

If those spells were creatures, then the Torper orb would stop him from losing a -1/-1
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Sagemaster on June 20, 2012, 03:45:52 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
It says if you cast a black or green spell then remove the counters.

If those spells were creatures, then the Torper orb would stop him from losing a -1/-1
Nope cause the spell casting knocks of the counter not the resolution of the creature. {Torpor orb} prevents something like {Champion of Lamholts} ability
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 20, 2012, 03:45:52 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
It says if you cast a black or green spell then remove the counters.

If those spells were creatures, then the Torper orb would stop him from losing a -1/-1
Nope cause the spell casting knocks of the counter not the resolution of the creature. {Torpor orb} prevents something like {Champion of Lamholts} ability

Wouldn't the same be said for {Vexing Devil}? You can't pay life to get rid of him with Torper orb.
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 20, 2012, 07:01:22 AM
If you want him to not enter the battlefield with counters, use {melira sylvok outcast }
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Deathstorm on June 20, 2012, 07:22:43 AM
Melira wouldn't work she says creatures can't have them Placed butt the hatchling enters play with them on it
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: scarsabrex on June 20, 2012, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 20, 2012, 03:45:52 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
It says if you cast a black or green spell then remove the counters.

If those spells were creatures, then the Torper orb would stop him from losing a -1/-1
Nope cause the spell casting knocks of the counter not the resolution of the creature. {Torpor orb} prevents something like {Champion of Lamholts} ability

Wouldn't the same be said for {Vexing Devil}? You can't pay life to get rid of him with Torper orb.

correct vexing devil will simply be a 4/3 if you already have a torpor orb. noxious hatchling does not interact with torpor orb at all.
Title: Re: Does this work
Post by: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: scarsabrex on June 20, 2012, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 20, 2012, 03:45:52 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 20, 2012, 03:18:58 AM
It says if you cast a black or green spell then remove the counters.

If those spells were creatures, then the Torper orb would stop him from losing a -1/-1
Nope cause the spell casting knocks of the counter not the resolution of the creature. {Torpor orb} prevents something like {Champion of Lamholts} ability

Wouldn't the same be said for {Vexing Devil}? You can't pay life to get rid of him with Torper orb.

correct vexing devil will simply be a 4/3 if you already have a torpor orb. noxious hatchling does not interact with torpor orb at all.

For some reason I was thinking something else. XD