I cast any two non-haste creatures and they enter the battlefield. I have one {Lightning Greaves} in play. Can I attack with both creatures this turn?
In other words, if a creature gains haste, then loses it, does the creature have summoning sickness again?
Intewesting qwestion.
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no you cannot. haste is a static ability which says ignore summoning sickness. summoning sickness does not go away it is only ignored. the second the creature loses haste summoning sickness is no longer ignored.
I think that it looses haste because the equipment specifically says equipped creature has haste... Not sure though
Quote from: KulrathKnight on June 13, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
I cast any two non-haste creatures and they enter the battlefield. I have one {Lightning Greaves} in play. Can I attack with both creatures this turn?
In other words, if a creature gains haste, then loses it, does the creature have summoning sickness again?
You equip as a sorcery. So you cast. Attack with one. Then equip main phase two. You can't equip then un equip and equip all in attacking phase.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 13, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: KulrathKnight on June 13, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
I cast any two non-haste creatures and they enter the battlefield. I have one {Lightning Greaves} in play. Can I attack with both creatures this turn?
In other words, if a creature gains haste, then loses it, does the creature have summoning sickness again?
You equip as a sorcery. So you cast. Attack with one. Then equip main phase two. You can't equip then un equip and equip all in attacking phase.
I know equip is a sorcery-speed ability. I meant equip to one during main phase one, equip to other in main phase one (which obviously removes it from the first creature), attack with both.
Edit: scarsabrex said this next part, not Kuberr...
Is there a rule you can reference to reassure me you are correct about your other post? The one where you said if a creature loses haste then summoning sickness is no longer ignored.
The equipment has haste. It doesn't give the creature haste without it. Therefor it no longe has haste when you move it.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 13, 2012, 01:59:59 PM
The equipment has haste. It doesn't give the creature haste without it. Therefor it no longe has haste when you move it.
I understand, which brings it back to my first post: if a creature has haste and loses it, does it have summoning sickness again?
Quote from: KulrathKnight on June 13, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 13, 2012, 01:59:59 PM
The equipment has haste. It doesn't give the creature haste without it. Therefor it no longe has haste when you move it.
I understand, which brings it back to my first post: if a creature has haste and loses it, does it have summoning sickness again?
Yes
rule 602.5A. paraphrasing it goes a creature has summoning sickness if you dis not control it from the beginning of your turn [before the untap step]. if a creature has summoning sickness you can neither attack with it nor activate abilities with the tap symbol on it. ignore sickness if the creature has haste.
Quote from: scarsabrex on June 13, 2012, 02:12:25 PM
rule 602.5A. paraphrasing it goes a creature has summoning sickness if you dis not control it from the beginning of your turn [before the untap step]. if a creature has summoning sickness you can neither attack with it nor activate abilities with the tap symbol on it. ignore sickness if the creature has haste.
Thank you. :)