Ok just want to see what people think. Is he {snapcaster mage} going to get:
Banned
Limited to one per deck
Left alone
If your gonna make a long reply please start with one of the three choices above.
Left alone
Left alone
Restricted is unlikely....it's banned or nothing IMO. I think they will ban him. What else do they have to ban? Delver maybe. I mean they are obviously coming out with a ban list and snappy and delver are the obvious targets. Who knows they may surprise us and ban something like {think twice}.
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 07, 2012, 06:27:01 PM
Restricted is unlikely....it's banned or nothing IMO. I think they will ban him. What else do they have to ban? Delver maybe. I mean they are obviously coming out with a ban list and snappy and delver are the obvious targets. Who knows they may surprise us and ban something like {think twice}.
Lol pick one option please
Forever left alone 😭
Banned
Banned.
Banned
Banned.
Also, just so we have it linked, the card this thread is about is {Snapcaster Mage}.
Left alone
Oops for got that I didn't say mine and thanks I'll edit him up top
Thanks
Left alone, I don't think he's necessarily the problem, just makes the problem more obvious lol
Left alone I hope. I just got a play set of snaps.that'd suck if I couldn't play him in standard.
Banned (see: my previous on banned rumors in the Standard forum)
Edit: the summation of my argument, as written by me.
"{Snapcaster Mage} also "messes up" design too, for R&D. They tried hosing him 3 times ({Grafdigger's Cage}, {Cavern of Souls}, ???? I know there is another, drawing a blank). I don't know how long R&D wants to keep trying to marginalize him.
Still, Delvers power is gonna rotate out, and Snapcaster will still be rediculous going forward. He will make the next decks that splash blue, insane.
Delver minus Snapcaster (but with {Ponder}) isnt nearly as deadly as Snapcasters ability to flashback {vapor snag}, {mana leak}, {ponder}, {timely reenforcemenfs}, {midnight haunting}, so on and so forth.
M13 has a Snapcaster replacement (Archaeomancer), which is 4CMC, which is probably where it should be. A ban is nigh
Edit: and if you think about it, WotC is done selling Innistrad, Snapcaster doesn't rotate out for 1 year+, his power level is already FAR above the curve. At this point, they owe absolutely nothing to {Snapcaster Mage}. They sold all the boxes they could, and it's onto the next product (M13, RtR}"
And additionally, {Abundant Growth} allows green decks to splash blue, enough where {Snapcaster Mage} is viable. I feel like (with no evidence) they designed Avacyn Restored knowing {Snapcaster Mage} would receive the ax (which is why they included {Restoration Angel} And also, the blog post about why they designed {Cavern of Soul} was made, because Snappy and {Mana Leak}. Intrinsically a soft Counter like {Mana Leak} is kinda below the curve, and prior to {Snapcaster Mage} it wasn't even the preferred counter.
I pilot a traditional U/W Delver, and I often never flash {Mana Leak}. I use {Timely Reinforcements} or {Vapor Snag}.
If MtG is about building decks that play out the way you design them (making a 60 card deck), {Snapcaster Mage} enables all of you carefully crafted deck included. Death Gaara and theorists would agree with me, when you include 4 {Mana Leaks} into your deck, it's contingent upon you drawing that specific card. {Snapcaster} bypasses that, your 12 control cards become 24.
I feel like snappy would be less bad without flash
Quote from: Milo109 on June 07, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
I feel like snappy would be less bad without flash
What gave you that indication?
Quote from: Willthomjr on June 07, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milo109 on June 07, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
I feel like snappy would be less bad without flash
What gave you that indication?
My superior deduction skills
Left alone.
Left alone
Left alone. Cards get banned or restricted when they're haphazardly thrown into every deck. Like {Skullclamp} and {Ume Zawa's Jitte}. Sure they're artifacts and CAN be put into any deck but they work incredibly in any deck, unlike our friend Tiago. Anyone tried splashing blue for him in Wolf Run Ramp? RG Aggro? BW tokens? Etc.
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 07, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 07, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Left alone.
Jester says so. The debate is done.
That doesn't sound like fun debating to me. Would that make me the master debater?
The question shouldn't be "Is it too powerful?" The question is "Does it make the format less fun?"
Do you hate playing against Snappy? Does he push people to make certain decks? Are top decks in the format forced to either play with him or play around him?
Are games with Snappy still interesting to play and watch?
R&D really hates to have cards banned, it means that they've failed. And remember, {Grafdigger's Cage} stops him entirely. You have an answer built into the format. Are players main decking Cage as a result? I don't think so.
I think Tiago is very fun to play with. I was about to die from a {Silverblade Paldin} bound to a {Mirran Crusader} and I had nothing but a {Snapcaster Mage} in hand and no blockers. I flashed {Righteous Blow} to kill the Crusader and blocked the Paladin and the dude scooped.
I think {Snapcaster Mage} equalizes a lot of scary monsters in Magic like those aforementioned white dudes.
I also think because he is mana intensive, that equalizes him a bit too. Anybody ever played a turn two Snapcaster? Nah. Didn't think so.
*sob* Leave snappy alone! T.T Leave him alone! *sob*
In a similar vein, and in defense of {Snapcaster Mage}, while he is so powerful, he's the type of card you WANT to give blue players. He represents everything blue is about.
And perhaps he wouldn't be so strong if his body wasn't dangerous. But the truth is, he can trade, hold a sword and everything else.
I think any Delver deck wouldn't operate remotely similar without him. If you look at tournament decks too, {Delver of Secrets} gets sideboarded vs. control.
Snapcaster and delver sure seem like popular targets for the "overpowered" debate, and yes, they are both very very powerful cards when used properly, but I just don't see them getting hit with the ban hammer.
I am more expecting them to ban {mana leak}, considering that they have already come out and said how much they don't like it. Purely speculation, of course.
I love snappy! He is a really cool card. There is a ton of potential with his effect. I just wish people would spend more time beating him or making new decks instead of dropping 100 bucks for a playset and doing the same deck that everyone else is.
Quote from: Gorzo on June 08, 2012, 02:46:47 AM
Snapcaster and delver sure seem like popular targets for the "overpowered" debate, and yes, they are both very very powerful cards when used properly, but I just don't see them getting hit with the ban hammer.
I am more expecting them to ban {mana leak}, considering that they have already come out and said how much they don't like it. Purely speculation, of course.
They don't have to ban mana leak. Just don't expect to see it reprinted.
Nah man {snapcaster mage} isn't the problem, it's definitely {frost Titan}
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 08, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Nah man {snapcaster mage} isn't the problem, it's definitely {frost Titan}
Definitely
Snapcaster will stay, it's not like it's a game breaker like a lotus or moxes or anything like that, there are so many answers to Snapcaster same with delver, IMO I can see ponder getting banned again, Snapcaster just has too many ways to get around him, mana leak will get reprinted 1 more time maybe not in m13 but in a future set, I mean look how long counterspell was around, blue is based on control spells like counterspells and bounce spells, there will always be some sort of counter that will make people mad, but as far as Snapcaster I see no change for him
I feel like snappy will be D: none of the above
I personally think that titans are the problem. They never should've come back.
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 08, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
I feel like snappy will be D: none of the above
Pseudo-restricted. You can only play 2 copies. No more, no less. In fact, every deck in Sanctioned events must now include 2 copies. Regardless.
XD
If he's being considered, I feel he's likely to get banned, of you put yourself in R&D's shoes, they probably see that from now on, they have to consider cmc's of instants or sorceries because of him. They may want to make a really nice, cheap spell, but will always have to reconsider the fact that snappy can be used to double that spells play value. Instead of having to develope with respect to him, the issue can be averted by limiting his legalities.