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B/U Permission Oblidelver 60 cards, 0 sideboard 4 {Darkslick Shores} 4 {Island} 11 {Swamp} 4 {Drowned Catacomb} 23 lands 3 {Phyrexian Obliterator} 4 {Snapcaster Mage} 4 {Delver of Secrets} 11 creatures 4 {Gitaxian Probe} 4 {Negate} 3 {Ponder} 4 {Surgical Extraction} 4 {Mana Leak} 3 {Doom Blade} 4 {Think Twice} 26 other spells Sideboard

I like this a lot actually. I just don't think deliver fits too well in here, maybe take then out and add grave Titan or consecrated sphinx. I think that may work decent for you

Really? Huh, I actually think delver runs very well in here: 1 it gives u a flyer just in case. And 2 there are 26 or sumthing like that instans/sorceries to flip it with.

My only suggestion is to add more blue mana

I guess so. I'm looking at it
From a more permission stand point than any type of Aggro. But then again in permission you need creatures that are threats and hard to deal with and now that I think if it delver definitely fits that

My one and only thing is I think u need something to pump your creatures up. Maybe a pike or two. Just something.

I think you can afford to run 4 {island} in place of 2 swamp and 2 grottos.  I get that you want all the black mana possible for Obliterator but look at it this way......right now you only have 4 {dark slick shores} that can cast a T1 delver......all your other lands can't help you on T1 with delver.  Nothing worse than holding a delver and not being able to cast him......his greatest power comes early game.  The 4 extra blue mana will double your odds of being able to cast your delver early.  My only other suggestion is to go to 23-24 lands since playing even 1 island means you need 5 land in play for Obliterator......tough trade off here.

Quote from: Rtace88 on June 05, 2012, 01:20:27 PM
My one and only thing is I think u need something to pump your creatures up. Maybe a pike or two. Just something.

Yeah.  I had 2 pikes in, and then subed them out for the grottos.

Quote from: cltrn81 on June 05, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
I think you can afford to run 4 {island} in place of 2 swamp and 2 grottos.  I get that you want all the black mana possible for Obliterator but look at it this way......right now you only have 4 {dark slick shores} that can cast a T1 delver......all your other lands can't help you on T1 with delver.  Nothing worse than holding a delver and not being able to cast him......his greatest power comes early game.  The 4 extra blue mana will double your odds of being able to cast your delver early.  My only other suggestion is to go to 23-24 lands since playing even 1 island means you need 5 land in play for Obliterator......tough trade off here.

You're probably right.  I was trying to get a more consistent mana base with the grottos.  I had that happen quite a bit in sample draws though.  Delver and no darkslick shores.  That would mean turn 2 Delver and no flip until turn 3.  Waiting until I have 6 lands to cast the obliterator might be a better strategy anyways.  That way I can counter a counter or vapor snag, and then surgical extract the rest of there counters for 2 life!  Bwahahaha!!!!

Added some blue mana and took out 1 obliterator.  I'll see how it sample draws now.

Quote from: cltrn81 on June 05, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
I think you can afford to run 4 {island} in place of 2 swamp and 2 grottos.  I get that you want all the black mana possible for Obliterator but look at it this way......right now you only have 4 {dark slick shores} that can cast a T1 delver......all your other lands can't help you on T1 with delver.  Nothing worse than holding a delver and not being able to cast him......his greatest power comes early game.  The 4 extra blue mana will double your odds of being able to cast your delver early.  My only other suggestion is to go to 23-24 lands since playing even 1 island means you need 5 land in play for Obliterator......tough trade off here.

Much more constistant on getting that 1st turn blue mana.