Okay so I was playing multiplayer edh {karn libertated}'s ulti went off and another player gain control of my {sword of feast and famine} and another players {dark steel colossus} and eventually the owned of collussus gain control of him with some mind control card thus gaining my sword too, I {sword to plowshire}d it, now here's my question, does the sword return to me or the person whom cracked karn? And since I own the sword can't I just re-equip it to my creatures?
If I interpreted that right, you're asking if you use {Swords to Plowshares} on a {Mind Controlled} {Darksteel Colussus} equipped with your Sword, do you get your sword back? Am I correct?
First off, Mind Control would not gain control of the equipment attached to the Collosus, it only takes the creature, so there's an issue right there. The problem that you propose never should have happened in the first place
If I'm understanding correctly, what happened is this:
1: {Karn, Liberated} exiles a {darksteel colossus} and a {sword of feast and famine} from other players.
2: Karn uses his Ultimate, restarting the game under Karn's controller's control.
3: that player equips the sword to the colossus.
4: the original owner of the colossus {mind control}s it. If I understand the rules here correctly, the sword should still be equipped but is still controlled by Karn's controller. Karn's controller must pay the equip cost and have a valid target to unequip the sword from the now original colossus controller's colossus. (and attach it to a new creature)
5: the mind controlled colossus gets {swords to plowshares}. It is exiled. The sword remains, as it always has been sinse Karn's restart, under Karn's controller's control.
Quote from: Gorzo on June 05, 2012, 03:26:39 AM
If I'm understanding correctly, what happened is this:
1: {Karn, Liberated} exiles a {darksteel colossus} and a {sword of feast and famine} from other players.
2: Karn uses his Ultimate, restarting the game under Karn's controller's control.
3: that player equips the sword to the colossus.
4: the original owner of the colossus {mind control}s it. If I understand the rules here correctly, the sword should still be equipped but is still controlled by Karn's controller. Karn's controller must pay the equip cost and have a valid target to unequip the sword from the now original colossus controller's colossus. (and attach it to a new creature)
5: the mind controlled colossus gets {swords to plowshares}. It is exiled. The sword remains, as it always has been sinse Karn's restart, under Karn's controller's control.
Regarding #4, check the rulings on {Mind Control}, the equipment falls off
Fair enough. You're right there. Auras too. Could have sworn those stayed. Learn something new every day.
Makes it even more certain that the {sword of feast and famine} stays under Karn's controller's control though. That sword isn't coming back to ya.
Edit: just to play devil's advocate, the ruling doesn't say anything about removing attached auras/equipment, just that you don't gain control of them also. so one could argue that that they stay attached, you just dont own them, so equipment like I said above and enchants for the purpose of things like {forced worship} where it matters who the controller is. I'm not saying that's CORRECT by any means, but just saying how my brain thinks based on the wordings :P
Correction the equipment doesn't fall off it says you don't control the equipment or auras attached to creature they are still attached
If someone mind controls your creature they take control of the creature with anything attached to it but they don't control those attachments. Anything brought about by those attachments would benefit you, lifegain etc. During your turn you can of course re-attach equipment. If creature is destroyed equipment falls off. I'm not sure if it stays on their side of the battlefield but u control it so it doesn't matter they cannot attach it to anything else
Idk If it was mind control, but it was similar to it so I was usin it as an example and my main this is since I own the sword I can't re-equip it to my stuff even if he has control of it? And I thought that after I plowshired the colossus the swords would come back to me?
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on June 05, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Idk If it was mind control, but it was similar to it so I was usin it as an example and my main this is since I own the sword I can't re-equip it to my stuff even if he has control of it? And I thought that after I plowshired the colossus the swords would come back to me?
Because of Karn, the sword is no longer in your control unless you Karn it back haha
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 05, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on June 05, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Idk If it was mind control, but it was similar to it so I was usin it as an example and my main this is since I own the sword I can't re-equip it to my stuff even if he has control of it? And I thought that after I plowshired the colossus the swords would come back to me?
Because of Karn, the sword is no longer in your control unless you Karn it back haha
He'll control it as long as it's in play. It will go back to your hand if "bounced", to your gy if it "dies". Otherwise, you need to {Brand} it.
Quote from: BlackJester on June 05, 2012, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 05, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on June 05, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Idk If it was mind control, but it was similar to it so I was usin it as an example and my main this is since I own the sword I can't re-equip it to my stuff even if he has control of it? And I thought that after I plowshired the colossus the swords would come back to me?
Because of Karn, the sword is no longer in your control unless you Karn it back haha
He'll control it as long as it's in play. It will go back to your hand if "bounced", to your gy if it "dies". Otherwise, you need to {Brand} it.
Lame it's red :/
There are other ways to take it back, that's just the one that popped in my head. :)
{Homeward Path} is hilarious vs. Karn. (unless he exiles it too 😨)
Homeward path is just a great card