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Title: X + costing less
Post by: Desolatus on June 03, 2012, 11:13:19 PM
Do effects that say "_______ cost ________ colorless less" apply to X values in any way? For example, say I have {Animar, Soul of Elements} on the field with a few +1/+1 counters on her. Then I play {Apocalypse Hydra}. Would {Animar}'s third ability in any way effect the X I pay for the Hydra? Thanks!
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 03, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
No because the x is an additional casting cost, even though it is up top and not in the text box. X could be zero. Only the set colorless mana amounts are affected.
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Desolatus on June 03, 2012, 11:42:20 PM
I thought so, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on anything. Thank you!
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 04, 2012, 12:25:57 AM
Np
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 01:11:25 AM
Quote from: Desolatus on June 03, 2012, 11:13:19 PM
Do effects that say "_______ cost ________ colorless less" apply to X values in any way? For example, say I have {Animar, Soul of Elements} on the field with a few +1/+1 counters on her. Then I play {Apocalypse Hydra}. Would {Animar}'s third ability in any way effect the X I pay for the Hydra? Thanks!

Yes it would affect the cost.  If {Animar, Soul of Elements} has 3 +1/+1 counters for example and you cast {Apocalypse Hydra}, here's what happens.
As you cast the spell you put it on the stack.
You choose the value for x (let's say X=5).
Determine cost for spell (base ({5}+{R}+{G}) + addition costs (none) - reductions ({3})).  This gives a final cost of {2}{R}{G}.
Pay the costs.

(I like that you refer to Anima as a her.)
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 04, 2012, 01:15:11 AM
And I have experienced the well known "jester hate" syndrome...
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 01:29:24 AM
/hatin'

;)
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Gorzo on June 04, 2012, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 01:11:25 AM
(I like that you refer to Anima as a her.)

I don't know why, but I read this, looked at the art, and thought "I'm sexy and I know it, wiggle that body! Ahhhh!"
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: Desolatus on June 04, 2012, 03:22:05 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 01:11:25 AM
Quote from: Desolatus on June 03, 2012, 11:13:19 PM
Do effects that say "_______ cost ________ colorless less" apply to X values in any way? For example, say I have {Animar, Soul of Elements} on the field with a few +1/+1 counters on her. Then I play {Apocalypse Hydra}. Would {Animar}'s third ability in any way effect the X I pay for the Hydra? Thanks!

Yes it would affect the cost.  If {Animar, Soul of Elements} has 3 +1/+1 counters for example and you cast {Apocalypse Hydra}, here's what happens.
As you cast the spell you put it on the stack.
You choose the value for x (let's say X=5).
Determine cost for spell (base ({5}+{R}+{G}) + addition costs (none) - reductions ({3})).  This gives a final cost of {2}{R}{G}.
Pay the costs.

(I like that you refer to Anima as a her.)

And here I thought my childish fantasies could never be real. I guess all you have to do is believe!
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on June 04, 2012, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 01:11:25 AM
(I like that you refer to Anima as a her.)

I don't know why, but I read this, looked at the art, and thought "I'm sexy and I know it, wiggle that body! Ahhhh!"
It just feels to me that every creature card is referred to as a 'he'.  Even ones that are obviously females ({Somberwald Sage} for example).

{Desolatus}: Dream a little dream.
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: CajunJynx on June 04, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
Always hatin.
Title: Re: X + costing less
Post by: cltrn81 on June 05, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
Ohh yea Anima totally = chick lol