Do you guys think my parrents have the right to take all of my magic cards away, (THAT I PAID FOR) just because i just now refused to keep doing work arround the house because of a points system that is baised on chores and if i do chores i get points. Just to give you an idea on what it is; i cant to anything that involves electricity or anything that could be considered fun. 1hr of elecrtonics is 30 pts. 30pts= 6 hard chores. So progressivly they have taken away stuff that i wasent using. I guess what im really asking is if its legal for them to take away my mtg cards that i paid for. Im 16 and yes, i know their just trying to teach me responsibility and such but ive got a job, school, and finals and if that doesnt teach me something than what does? Thanks guys!
Tough break man. But they are your parents so respect them.
(then sneak the cards back)
[jkjk]
I think they have every right simply cause their your parents but that's just my opinion. However, that chore system is dumb and needs to be much more laxed...I'm 18 and I still listen to almost every word my parents say but they don't have some crazy system like that for me...like it should be as long as there are no chores (and chores should be split up kids doing more than parents) you can enjoy however you want. But again that's just my opinion haha
Yes. They have the right. As a parent, but still young, I know how hard it seems, but it's completely understandable on your parents side. It's their house. You have to follow their rules.
Help your parents out as much as you can! Maybe when you're older they will be a lot easier on you. I promise it'll get better. Just treat them with the utmost respect!
There are many things that you can learn from the Bible even if you aren't a Christian...and one of those things is to "honor your father and mother".
Without them you wouldn't exist. They house you, feed you, and clothe you. I am 18. Just out of high school and feeling pretty "adult" and "like a boss". Do I still do chores for my parents? You bet your Magic cards I do! ;)
No matter how old you are and no matter how "biased" their chore system is, you do their work as long as you live in their house! Respect them and trust me you will get your cards back.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 03, 2012, 10:09:11 PM
There are many things that you can learn from the Bible even if you aren't a Christian...and one of those things is to "honor your father and mother".
Without them you wouldn't exist. They house you, feed you, and clothe you. I am 18. Just out of high school and feeling pretty "adult" and "like a boss". Do I still do chores for my parents? You bet your Magic cards I do! ;)
You can learn that in the Quran too ;D old testament is in both :D
I had a similar issue. The best thing to do is just wait it out. Eventually they'll give up with that idea and move on.
(however, my parents just took away the bulk of my cards. The decks I hid before they took the others ;) shh..)
I don't want to get on a religious argument. But respect is earned not given. But it depended on what he considers hard chores, but six chores to half an hour is a bit extreme IMO.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:41:50 PM
I don't want to get on a religious argument. But respect is earned not given. But it depended on what he considers hard chores, but six chores to half an hour is a bit extreme IMO.
Lmao. They're your parents. It's given regardless. They raised you from nothing. Without them, you would be nothing. Therefor your point is invalid.
Dude it's just chores. Suck it up. How are you going to act when you have a real job? Lmao.
Have you seen some of these parents? I respect mine they were there for me. Not every child can say that. Just because they had unprotected intercourse, and had a child doesn't make some one a good parent.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
Have you seen some of these parents? I respect mine they were there for me. Not every child can say that. Just because they had unprotected intercourse, and had a child doesn't make some one a good parent.
Im pretty sure that's not the point here. So please, if you're going to debate with me, stay on topic.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:41:50 PM
I don't want to get on a religious argument. But respect is earned not given. But it depended on what he considers hard chores, but six chores to half an hour is a bit extreme IMO.
Dude...it has nothing to do with religion. As you might have read I said it applies to you even if you are not a Christian. I never use religion as an argument because it isn't a common ground for everyone.
That said, I agree with Kuberr: they don't need to earn anything from you.
I think the only one who needs to earn something is you. You need to earn everything they give you free of charge. Least you can do is a few chores...come on man, get with it. Don't be hard to deal with...just do your chores.
I made my point, about respect being earned not given. It was missed. I'm not feeding the flames anymore.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
I made my point, about respect being earned not given. It was missed. I'm not feeding the flames anymore.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry for your parents as well.
As a parent, if my son said that to me. After shelling 30k$ average to raise him, along with all the knowledge I know to keep him safe and make good decisions. I would be super pissed.
You sound ungrateful.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 03, 2012, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
I made my point, about respect being earned not given. It was missed. I'm not feeding the flames anymore.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry for your parents as well.
As a parent, if my son said that to me. After shelling 30k$ average to raise him, along with all the knowledge I know to keep him safe and make good decisions. I would be super pissed.
You sound ungrateful.
Easy guys. This is a touchy subject. Let's try to not flare up into aggression. Thanks
Quote from: Kuberr on June 03, 2012, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
I made my point, about respect being earned not given. It was missed. I'm not feeding the flames anymore.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry for your parents as well.
As a parent, if my son said that to me. After shelling 30k$ average to raise him, along with all the knowledge I know to keep him safe and make good decisions. I would be super pissed.
You sound ungrateful.
I wasn't going to reply but it's clear you don't get it. How many deadbeat dads are out there? How many moms would rather party then watch there kids. How many kids are in single parents households who don't even see the other parent? Do they deserve respect NO. If you work hard at being a parent and are in your child's life then yes you have already earned the child's respect. Yes mistakes will happen arguments will be had. But in the end the family is still there. I can't make it any more clear then that.
Lol again the flaw I will point out.
If you're on this forum today, and you live with your parents, odds are your parents are pretty good.
There are always exceptions, but if you are going to point out the fact that there are deadbeat parents and act like theyre the only ones out there. You are wrong and I will fight you till the death of me. Because I believe in my parenting skills. Just because you point out one flaw in the world, does not back up or support tr fact that parents should get respect. Im sorry, but your flaw is bigger than I thought. I'm really sorry you feel the way you do, and I hope you can cope with your childhood.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 03, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 10:41:50 PM
I don't want to get on a religious argument. But respect is earned not given. But it depended on what he considers hard chores, but six chores to half an hour is a bit extreme IMO.
Dude...it has nothing to do with religion. As you might have read I said it applies to you even if you are not a Christian. I never use religion as an argument because it isn't a common ground for everyone.
That said, I agree with Kuberr: they don't need to earn anything from you.
I think the only one who needs to earn something is you. You need to earn everything they give you free of charge. Least you can do is a few chores...come on man, get with it. Don't be hard to deal with...just do your chores.
I wasn't making a religious argument either...I just wanted to say that they had a similar basis.. Also I agree with both Kuberr and coffee vampire
I don't mean to be harsh, but frankly I'd say suck it up. In due time you'll realize that "system" (which by the way seems messed up) did you good. Better to be under a roof with crazy rules than no roof at all
be glad ur not paying rent. My parents tried that system on me but they were too lazy to do anything. But they took it away cause i got my *** together and and just sucked it up and did what they want without any "reward" do that and your fine. Your parents are trying to help you and so are all these people on this forum. They know whats it like. Trust me they do.
Nope, respect is earned not given. While most parents do deserve respect from the children, this does not go for every last one. Taking a page from Kuberr's book if you are living under the roof of your parent's house they do most likely deserve the respect. As for the OP, you just need to "struggle" through it. At least one of your parents bust their ass off providing for you and manual labor is a pretty good way to give back, while it may seem like a lot now, you will (hopefully) look back on this and realize where you got your great work ethic from. TL;DR Suck it up kiddo, it'll be better in the end.
Tl;Dr?
Wow. This has gotten really off topic. But anyways. To be blunt. I do respect my parrents and everything they do for me. But seeing as i have a job now and am paying for most of my stuff including meals. I think there should be some greater level of respect rather than treating me as if I was 10. Dont get me wrong. I want to do chores and help out. I wasnt helping out because of pure protest of this system.
The point is, that's not going to help anything.
Yeah...it is good that you are willing to do stuff and I understand that you think it is unfair. But I suggest doing it anyways. That doesn't mean you can't express yourself and offer alternatives or anything; just don't say "no" to your parents. It is a turnoff, to say the least.
Trust me, I have 4 sisters, 2 brothers, and 2 parents. I am second oldest, and I know what happens when people do things that their parents ask them to do, and when people don't. One of my siblings took it really far, and well...I don't want anyone to end up like that. So yeah. Just advice from an experienced observer.
Edit: oh and if ANYONE would like dishwasher loading advice, PM me! ;)
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 04, 2012, 12:42:28 AM
Yeah...it is good that you are willing to do stuff and I understand that you think it is unfair. But I suggest doing it anyways. That doesn't mean you can't express yourself and offer alternatives or anything; just don't say "no" to your parents. It is a turnoff, to say the least.
Trust me, I have 4 sisters, 2 brothers, and 2 parents. I am second oldest, and I know what happens when people do things that their parents ask them to do, and when people don't. One of my siblings took it really far, and well...I don't want anyone to end up like that. So yeah. Just advice from an experienced observer.
Edit: oh and if ANYONE would like dishwasher loading advice, PM me! ;)
I got plenty of experience on dish loading. Anyways. I guess il go witht the majority. Il just do it. Thx guys!
Id recommend sitting down with them and discussing their system and your punishment. Not so much arguing with them but having a mature conversation telling them that you understand and appreciate what they're trying to do for you but their system seems a bit unfair and maybe even flawed. Im not saying it would change anything but that's what I would do in your situation
The point is that this point is that point and these points with all of those points summerizes this point.
(This is what reading this thread looks like)
And to you, Op.
You gotta fight your parents man. Be rough, be honest and most of all be prepared to make sacrifices. Know whats important to you.
I definititly wouldnt have let my parents take something i earned on my own. But god knows they hid my xbox and power cables to the computer more than once. :P
Yeah IMO that is kind of jacked up, because that system seems really unfair... six hard chores for half an hour of video games!? I mean I used to have a system like but it was way more relaxed. Especially if you paid for them... that means that they're yours and you can do what you want with them. I would say same with game systems and stuff. You buy it, you get to use it. I know that feel bro...
I just want to say that I personally disagree with the idea that just because someone contributed DNA to your creation necessarily means they deserve your respect. I agree that respect should be earned mutually. Men that abandon the mothers of their children do not deserve respect. Mothers that constantly abuse their children do not deserve respect. Parents who have provided shelter, food, a caring environment and act in the best interest of the child (even if the child doesn't like it or think it's unfair at the time), they deserve respect.
Maybe you need to talk to your parents about the fairness of the system. If you think the effort - reward structure is not reasonable you should have the right to say so.
Like I said. If you're on here. More than likely, you are not part of any of that criteria for having bad parents.
It's aggravating now but you will thank them when you are older and you start seeing just how dumb and irresponsible other people your age really are.
Quote from: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 12:16:55 PM
Men that abandon the mothers of their children do not deserve respect
Please tell this to my 2 half sisters.
One thing I've noticed about this worlds and pro tour shows.
They are extremely over dramatic.
Sure they may be thinking, but when the obvious choice is right there. They wait for a long time to make that choice. It's very strange.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 06, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
One thing I've noticed about this worlds and pro tour shows.
They are extremely over dramatic.
Sure they may be thinking, but when the obvious choice is right there. They wait for a long time to make that choice. It's very strange.
A) make your opponent think you have option
B) there may be more to the choice than you realize
C) slow-playing to be a DB
Quote from: BlackJester on June 06, 2012, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 06, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
One thing I've noticed about this worlds and pro tour shows.
They are extremely over dramatic.
Sure they may be thinking, but when the obvious choice is right there. They wait for a long time to make that choice. It's very strange.
A) make your opponent think you options
B) there may be more to the choice than you realize
C) slow-playing to be a DB
Yup! Plus, there is usually a judge watching and if they feel like they're taking too long they get a warning. It's not like these guys are top decking taking 10 mins to play a land.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 06, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
One thing I've noticed about this worlds and pro tour shows.
They are extremely over dramatic.
Sure they may be thinking, but when the obvious choice is right there. They wait for a long time to make that choice. It's very strange.
I meant to post this in the pro your thread. Haha
Sorry bj.