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Title: Monoblacky
Post by: Fenster on June 03, 2012, 10:15:48 AM
So i got my hands on 4 Ice Age {Necropotence} and im itching to make a monoblack deck around it! Any help and tips would be appriciated!
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Greg54js on June 03, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
Well I was gonna say b/u mill with lab maniac but you said monoblack so I have no idea how to go about building with this card
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: loop-s-pool on June 03, 2012, 10:22:15 AM
Try 4x {Dark Ritual} to play it turn one.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 03, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
{Vampire Nocturnus}
{Dark Ritual}
{Liliana of the Veil}
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Thorn on June 03, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
{phyrexian obliterator} {geralf's messager}
{B.F.M}
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: adventus on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?

Card advantage.  It's THE most powerful magic card that will give multiple turns of card advantage.  Match it up with some black cards with lifelink to regain some of that lost life and keep drawing...
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Guypocolypse on June 03, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
{grislebrand}
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Greg54js on June 03, 2012, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: Guypocolypse on June 03, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
{griselbrand}
You stole my idea sir.

He really fits the plan though :)
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
Quote from: adventus on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?

Card advantage.  It's THE most powerful magic card that will give multiple turns of card advantage.  Match it up with some black cards with lifelink to regain some of that lost life and keep drawing...

So I have to pay one life to do what the game allows me to do at the start of the turn normally.  An I dont have to exile a card of I discard. 
Still not seeing it.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Willthomjr on June 03, 2012, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: adventus on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?

Card advantage.  It's THE most powerful magic card that will give multiple turns of card advantage.  Match it up with some black cards with lifelink to regain some of that lost life and keep drawing...

This.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Kuberr on June 03, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
Don't put any planeswalkers in here. Ruins all the good strategy.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 03, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
Quote from: adventus on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?

Card advantage.  It's THE most powerful magic card that will give multiple turns of card advantage.  Match it up with some black cards with lifelink to regain some of that lost life and keep drawing...

So I have to pay one life to do what the game allows me to do at the start of the turn normally.  An I dont have to exile a card of I discard. 
Still not seeing it.

I said the same exact thing not to long ago. But consider the advantage of merely paying 1 life repeatedly to draw a card. It doesn't make sense to a casual player like myself but as Death Gaara has said, card advantage is a MAJOR. Part of the game. Life points are a resource and cards are a resource. Just like you play a card to gain life, you can use life to gain cards. And just like they said, in a deck with a life gain outlet, this card is EXTREMELY useful to acquire the cards you want.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: adventus on June 03, 2012, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
Quote from: adventus on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM
What's the point behind the card?

Card advantage.  It's THE most powerful magic card that will give multiple turns of card advantage.  Match it up with some black cards with lifelink to regain some of that lost life and keep drawing...

So I have to pay one life to do what the game allows me to do at the start of the turn normally.  An I dont have to exile a card of I discard. 
Still not seeing it.

Read this article on these forums.  It's a great explanation of the value of card advantage. 

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php/topic,4626.0.html
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Fenster on June 03, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Thanks for all these suggestions i think i got something really good going now :D
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: #noided on June 03, 2012, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: Fenster on June 03, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Thanks for all these suggestions i think i got something really good going now :D

What format would this deck be?
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 03, 2012, 03:29:55 PM
{Death's Shadow}
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: adventus on June 03, 2012, 03:41:20 PM
{vampire nighthawk} would be a good fit.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: cltrn81 on June 03, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
{vampire Nocturnus}+{Necropotence}=good times ;)

I am not a fan of the T1 {Necroptence}......I only play {Necropotence} when the rest of my hand is played and I need more cards.  Cuz remember that if you discard a card while it is in play you have to exile it.....do it is not a useful to fill your GY with.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 05:52:10 PM
Okay... I think I missed the point, you can draw whenever and how many you want as long as you have the life?
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Gorzo on June 03, 2012, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on June 03, 2012, 05:52:10 PM
Okay... I think I missed the point, you can draw whenever and how many you want as long as you have the life?

That's the idea, yeah. You don't get those draws until your end step, but then next turn you have major card advantage, and can repeat this at will. If you have life gain or link, even more card advantage. That's what makes the card so appealing.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: BlackJester on June 03, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on June 03, 2012, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: Fenster on June 03, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Thanks for all these suggestions i think i got something really good going now :D

What format would this deck be?
Either Ice Age, Vintage (where you are only allowed one copy), or an anything goes Casual.  And, due to its powerlevel, (it's over 9000) I'd be 😡 if my opponent played more than one.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Fenster on June 04, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
@Jester: You think people would frown upon using a whole playset? I dont want to seem like a douche...
@Playset: Im going casual since then theres no "Hardcore" pressure to do well or use über combos.
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: BlackJester on June 04, 2012, 11:09:30 AM
Quote from: Fenster on June 04, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
@Jester: You think people would frown upon using a whole playset? I dont want to seem like a douche...
@Playset: Im going casual since then theres no "Hardcore" pressure to do well or use über combos.

If it were me, I'd stick with one unless you asks your opponents if they mind.  If I play against someone playing 4 {Tinker}s and four Moxes, well... it's just not cool (Karn - DotP, I'm looking at you!)

{Necropotence} was banned in it's time for dominating the scene.  And now, especially in a format that allows {Dark Ritual}s, {Drain Life}s, and {Tendrils of Agony}.  Yikes!
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Killin88 on June 04, 2012, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 03, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
Don't put any planeswalkers in here. Ruins all the good strategy.
agreed but sorin made quite nifty when I had a deck like this
Title: Re: Monoblacky
Post by: Harmon74 on June 04, 2012, 03:17:57 PM
{Corrupt}, {drain life}, {cabal coffers}, {lake of the dead}.