So is it true that if a phantasmal image compies a creature with undying and is targeted by an instant say {tragic slip}, does it really not come back from the graveyard?
If so can somebody explain it clearly
I was under the impression that it does come
Back with a counter and can copy a new creature if u want
Yeah that would make sense but the people at my card shop say otherwise
Well they are wrong I'm pretty sure of that
image will undie as intended
I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say the shopowner is right.
The phantasmal is a copy of say, a {Vorapede}. It dies. Now since it is a copy (EXACT SAME...same creature type, name, abilities, etc.), it has the trait of Undying. So one would think that it would come back like a normal undying card. BUT...there is one little thing:
When a card hits the graveyard, it becomes a card. Not a spell, not anything. Just a card. All memory of what it used to be is left in the dust. Including what it was a copy of. So right when the phantasmal image hits the graveyard, BAM! it turns into a regular phantasmal image.
This may be hard to understand, but let's look at something: what if a phantasmal image was cast as a copy of a {Giant Spider}, and someone {Dismember}s it? Is it still a a spider when it is in your graveyard? No, it is once again a phantasmal image card.
What I am saying is that before the undying can trigger, there is no undying effect to trigger anymore because the phantasmal image is not a copy anymore.
Not saying I'm right...but I think that looking at it from a different perspective might be helpful.
Edit: I looked online...this is wrong! But jokes on you if I convinced you! Hahaha
Maybe as it sacrifices itself and hits the graveyard it no longer is a copy of the undying and stays in the grave? Idk a buddy of mine hates phantasmal image because of this very reason
He does comeback because he has undying. He dies when he is sacrificed triggering undying and he can come back and copy anything :D
That's a long explanation coffee unfortunately you're wrong
Undying says "when it dies" not when it goes to the graveyard don't now if it could come back as a different creature though.
{Phantasmal image}
Quote from: Rasser on May 30, 2012, 12:40:37 AM
Undying says "when it dies" not when it goes to the graveyard don't now if it could come back as a different creature though
Yep. And it'll ETB again so you can choose something else to copy :D
Quote from: Poof on May 30, 2012, 12:39:20 AM
That's a long explanation coffee unfortunately you're wrong
Well now it isn't the first time and it won't be the last. Cheers!
400.7d says abilities that trigger when something changes zones can find the object it became in the new zone if it is a public zone
I'm guessing it's like a token hitting the graveyard momentarily before vanishig the image would hit the graveyard as copied creature
Now is the +1/+1 counter going to target the {phantasmal inage} and kill it anyways
Quote from: Rasser on May 30, 2012, 12:58:43 AM
Now is the +1/+1 token going to target the phantasmal and kill it anyways
The undying trigger doesn't target.
Can't wait to rub it in their faces tomorrow right before draft
Quote from: BlackJester on May 30, 2012, 01:01:15 AM
Quote from: Rasser on May 30, 2012, 12:58:43 AM
Now is the +1/+1 token going to target the phantasmal and kill it anyways
The undying trigger doesn't target.
Thought so, doesn't say target. Thanks
OMG I spent like 10 minutes trying to explain this to a guy on Cockatrice. I copied his undying creature but to make matters worse, explanation wise, he cast {swords to plowshares} on my image. I first had to explain that targeting the image happens before the spell resolves, therefore I already sacrificed the image before plowshares could exile it.....then I had to go through this whole speel about the image with undying coming back in play and then he tried to say the plowshare would exile the new image and I had to explain that is was not the same target.