If I have a creature with hexproof on the board can he be combusted? My friend tried to combust my Aven Fleetwing and I argued that even though the specific definition of counter is preventing a spell from resolving, I never prevented his spell from resolving as he never had a legal target to begin with and so it could never have been played in the first place. Talk amongst yourselves!
You can't point an unpreventable spell at hex proof. Hexproof isn't preventing damage or anything, you just can't target it in the first place.
You cannot kill a creature with Hexproof with {Combust}, the Hexproof doesn't counter the spell, it prevents it from being a valid target in the first place. So if you tried to {Combust} something with Hexproof, the {Combust} would fizzle.
EDIT: Curse you Jester, and your faster response times!
I don't get it. If it says target creature. It shouldn't even be a question. Hexproof makes a creature untargatable.
Awesome thanks. He is very insistent on being right about magic rulings even though they are sometimes highly questionable. I was going by the same logic you all have posted but just wanted some feedback. In the end he let it fizzle and I won the match because of it. I don't suppose you could point me to any specific rules I could lay out for him that prove what we think is correct beyond a shadow of a doubt?
Quote from: Panama red on May 25, 2012, 01:12:31 AM
Awesome thanks. He is very insistent on being right about magic rulings even though they are sometimes highly questionable. I was going by the same logic you all have posted but just wanted some feedback. In the end he let it fizzle and I won the match because of it. I don't suppose you could point me to any specific rules I could lay out for him that prove what we think is correct beyond a shadow of a doubt?
You could use the card.
It says "target creature" therefor if he tried to play a spell on a creature with hexproof, it would fail.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 25, 2012, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: Panama red on May 25, 2012, 01:12:31 AM
Awesome thanks. He is very insistent on being right about magic rulings even though they are sometimes highly questionable. I was going by the same logic you all have posted but just wanted some feedback. In the end he let it fizzle and I won the match because of it. I don't suppose you could point me to any specific rules I could lay out for him that prove what we think is correct beyond a shadow of a doubt?
You could use the card.
It says "target creature" therefor if he tried to play a spell on a creature with hexproof, it would fail.
So he was just being stubborn and it's pretty obvious. I'm happy I didn't let him bully me just because I'm new to the game.
Quote from: Panama red on May 25, 2012, 01:19:35 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on May 25, 2012, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: Panama red on May 25, 2012, 01:12:31 AM
Awesome thanks. He is very insistent on being right about magic rulings even though they are sometimes highly questionable. I was going by the same logic you all have posted but just wanted some feedback. In the end he let it fizzle and I won the match because of it. I don't suppose you could point me to any specific rules I could lay out for him that prove what we think is correct beyond a shadow of a doubt?
You could use the card.
It says "target creature" therefor if he tried to play a spell on a creature with hexproof, it would fail.
So he was just being stubborn and it's pretty obvious. I'm happy I didn't let him bully me just because I'm new to the game.
Bullies suck! Never let them win! :) were always here to help.
Really, the card should have gone back in to his hand, since he couldn't legally have cast it in the first place.
Quote from: BlackJester on May 25, 2012, 10:43:54 AM
Really, the card should have gone back in to his hand, since he couldn't legally have cast it in the first place.
^ this. Anything that says "target" can't be used on a hexproof creature, even if it has a secondary ability they'd like to use. They cannot be targets by spells or abilities, thus are not legal targets.