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Title: Flash conflict
Post by: Achgook on May 24, 2012, 02:23:54 PM
I have a devastation tide in my graveyard, my opponent casts surgical extraction on my tide, can I in response to him playing it play snapcaster Mage and give my tide flashback to keep him from pulling all of them out o my library?
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Dudecore on May 24, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
I'd say yes, using the stack. First on, last off. {Surgical extraction}, {Snapcaster Mage} ontop, then {Devastation Tide} ontop of snappy. Pull them off, as they resolve {Surgical Extraction} won't have a target.

BJ probably knows better thought.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 24, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 24, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
I'd say yes, using the stack. First on, last off. {Surgical extraction}, {Snapcaster Mage} ontop, then {Devastation Tide} ontop of snappy. Pull them off, as they resolve {Surgical Extraction} won't have a target.

BJ probably knows better thought.
Snappy has to resolve first then u should, to my knownledge, FB then while Extract is still on the stack
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Gorzo on May 24, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
Assuming you have the mana to cast both the {snapcaster Mage} and the {devastation tide} at full cost (you can't miracle it with flashback, obviously) the tide would no longer be there in the graveyard for the extraction to target, causing the spell to fizzle and the remaining tides in your deck to be safe.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Dudecore on May 24, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 24, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 24, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
I'd say yes, using the stack. First on, last off. {Surgical extraction}, {Snapcaster Mage} ontop, then {Devastation Tide} ontop of snappy. Pull them off, as they resolve {Surgical Extraction} won't have a target.

BJ probably knows better thought.
Snappy has to resolve first then u should, to my knownledge, FB then while Extract is still on the stack

Yeah, this. Either way you're safe
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
But since the tide is a sorcery I don't think he'd be able to save it like that...
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BlackJester on May 24, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
But since the tide is a sorcery I don't think he'd be able to save it like that...

QFT.

Snappy can give it Flashback, but you can't cast it as a sorcery in response to anything.

Now, if the spell was an instant then yes, you could give it FB and cast it in response (assuming you have the mana to do so).  The {Surgical Extraction} would be countered on resolution for lack of a legal target.  Your other copies would be safe.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 24, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
 ah didnt know it was sorcery. That and i dont like miracles
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
Qft?
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BlackJester on May 24, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
Qft?
Quoted for Truth.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Ahh okay cool!
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Fenster on May 25, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 24, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 24, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
But since the tide is a sorcery I don't think he'd be able to save it like that...

QFT.

Snappy can give it Flashback, but you can't cast it as a sorcery in response to anything.

Now, if the spell was an instant then yes, you could give it FB and cast it in response (assuming you have the mana to do so).  The {Surgical Extraction} would be countered on resolution for lack of a legal target.  Your other copies would be safe.
Wouldnt you be able to do it during your mainphase though? If it happened then?
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BlackJester on May 25, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
Only if the stack is empty, which it wouldn't be if you were responding to something else as in this example.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Fenster on May 25, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 25, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
Only if the stack is empty, which it wouldn't be if you were responding to something else as in this example.
Wow i had no idea sorceries were that gimped! Oh well! A very good thing to know about!
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: Druknal on May 25, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Here's an "in theory" idea. If you were to be running blue/green and your opponent used {Surgical Extraction} on your {Devestation Tide}. Could your drop a {Snap Caster Mage}, tap for {Alchemist Refuge} ability to give non-land cards flash, then flashback {Devestation Tide}?  9 mana, but like I said. In theory.
Title: Re: Flash conflict
Post by: BlackJester on May 25, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: Druknal on May 25, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Here's an "in theory" idea. If you were to be running blue/green and your opponent used {Surgical Extraction} on your {Devestation Tide}. Could your drop a {Snap Caster Mage}, tap for {Alchemist Refuge} ability to give non-land cards flash, then flashback {Devestation Tide}?  9 mana, but like I said. In theory.
yup.