Pretty sure about this one, but my friends disagree. If you have {Pestilence} and {Cemetery Gate} on the field, will the gate live through the pestilence? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't, because the pestilence is a global effect.
Why wouldn't it?
I mean you could kill it of they payed 5 black. But that would be dumb.
Your friend played that gate or you did?
Quote from: TBNL on May 23, 2012, 02:32:10 AM
because the pestilence is a global effect.
Correct, pestilence will pierce pro-black because it's a non-targeting global effecting. If activated 5 times, the wall will be destroyed.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 02:36:06 AM
Why wouldn't it?
I mean you could kill it of they payed 5 black. But that would be dumb.
Your friend played that gate or you did?
Friend played the gate and pestilence, he has a deck based around it.
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
Does the same rule apply with spells? Could a {Kor Firewalker} live through a {Slagstorm}?
yes
Any and all forms of damage is prevented. Except a pro-red still dies if {malignus} or another non-preventable form of damage deals damage to a protected creature.
Note that cards like {wrath of god} do not do damage so pro-white still dies.
just so people understand
protection makes it so a creature can't be
Damaged
Equipped or enhanted
Blocked
Targeted
by things it has protection from
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
That's actually incorrect. Protection from things protects the creature from being targeted. If its global, or an ongoing thing. It is affected.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
That's actually incorrect. Protection from things protects the creature from being targeted. If its global, or an ongoing thing. It is affected.
Protection from black damage still, regardless of how it happens.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
That's actually incorrect. Protection from things protects the creature from being targeted. If its global, or an ongoing thing. It is affected.
cltrn81 is right for the following reasons:
Quote from: scarsabrex on May 23, 2012, 10:12:48 AM
just so people understand
protection makes it so a creature can't be
Damaged
Equipped or enhanted
Blocked
Targeted
by things it has protection from
Quote from: BlackJester on May 23, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Pro-black still protects from damage so you could pay 100 black mana for pestilence ability and any pro-black creature will still live. 🔨
That's actually incorrect. Protection from things protects the creature from being targeted. If its global, or an ongoing thing. It is affected.
cltrn81 is right for the following reasons:
Quote from: scarsabrex on May 23, 2012, 10:12:48 AM
just so people understand
protection makes it so a creature can't be
Damaged
Equipped or enhanted
Blocked
Targeted
by things it has protection from
But that's DIRECTLY damaged...ect. Isn't it?
Nope. It prevents any and ALL damage from a source of that color.
Quote from: BlackJester on May 23, 2012, 11:57:56 AM
Nope. It prevents any and ALL damage from a source of that color.
You should tell wizards to fix mtgo then. Haha
They seem to like to make mistakes.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 23, 2012, 11:57:56 AM
Nope. It prevents any and ALL damage from a source of that color.
You should tell wizards to fix mtgo then. Haha
They seem to like to make mistakes.
Really? So on MTGO, your {Pestilence} could kill a pro-black dude?
Not nessisarly that card. But I've seen plenty of global cards affect pro X creatures. Such as wrath cards killing pro white cards.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
Not nessisarly that card. But I've seen plenty of global cards affect pro X creatures. Such as wrath cards killing pro white cards.
{pestilence} says that {pestilence} , the black creature which is the source, deals 1 damage. With wrath effects, they do not specify where the damage is originating so they don't have a specified color for damage
If {pestilence } said 'each creature is dealt 1 damage' instead of 'pestilence deal 1 damage to each creature} then you could kill pro black
Quote from: Clearmario on May 23, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
Not nessisarly that card. But I've seen plenty of global cards affect pro X creatures. Such as wrath cards killing pro white cards.
{pestilence} says that {pestilence} , the black creature which is the source, deals 1 damage. With wrath effects, they do not specify where the damage is originating so they don't have a specified color for damage
Hmm that's quite interesting.
Quote from: Kuberr on May 23, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
Not nessisarly that card. But I've seen plenty of global cards affect pro X creatures. Such as wrath cards killing pro white cards.
This is because {Wrath of God}, {Black Sun's Zenith} cards aren't dealing damage.
Damage
Enchant/Equip
Blocking
Targeting
{Wrath of God} does none of these things, and so its effect is not prevented. {Bonfire of the Damned} deals damage, and so it can be prevented from Pro-red.
Bah! I hate it when I'm wrong :P was so sure about this one too, but yup, I am dead wrong. Lousy protection confusion!
Protection is one of those things that seems to trip-up a lot of newer players. (Not saying you're 'newer', Gorzo.)
As long as you remember D.E.B.T. everything else follows from that. 8)
Quote from: Gorzo on May 23, 2012, 03:21:21 PM
Bah! I hate it when I'm wrong :P was so sure about this one too, but yup, I am dead wrong. Lousy protection confusion!
I was right there with you on that. Haha
Quote from: BlackJester on May 23, 2012, 03:26:05 PM
Protection is one of those things that seems to trip-up a lot of newer players. (Not saying you're 'newer', Gorzo.)
As long as you remember D.E.B.T. everything else follows from that. 8)
Creatures with protection are debt free?
Quote from: Leviathan on May 23, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 23, 2012, 03:26:05 PM
Protection is one of those things that seems to trip-up a lot of newer players. (Not saying you're 'newer', Gorzo.)
As long as you remember D.E.B.T. everything else follows from that. 8)
Creatures with protection are debt free?
They are protected from new debt. 💰 if they had old debt they're still in it.