I have pretty good zombie deck. In the the new set it is useless. All the humans and Angela are to OP. this sucks guess its time to make a new deck if I want to win any games.
Not yet, my fellow Necrosage!! I love my zombie decks just like the next guy, but dont just give up hope!! Go hunting for some old/new cards with Pro W or G(or whatever)! All you need to do is make you deck a little more defensive then offensive. And thus i leave you with these words:
"The best offense is a good defense."
{Zombie Apocalypse}
{phyrexian crusader}
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
{Zombie Apocalypse}
{Angel of Glory Rise} the EXACT HARD counter for apocolypse. That card is the reason i gave up my zombie deck. My play group carries at least 1 for me.
Plus the new event deck is gonna have {gravecrawler}s and messengers in it. So value for those cards are gonna drop.
I know it seems to overpowered. I know the flavor behind it but come on. My deck went from pretty good to flat out useless.
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 17, 2012, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
{Zombie Apocalypse}
{Angel of Glory Rise} the EXACT HARD counter for apocolypse. That card is the reason i gave up my zombie deck. My play group carries at least 1 for me.
You
could say that the Apocalypse is an exact hard counter to THEIR {Angel of Glory Rise}, hmm? 😌
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 17, 2012, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
{Zombie Apocalypse}
{Angel of Glory Rise} the EXACT HARD counter for apocolypse. That card is the reason i gave up my zombie deck. My play group carries at least 1 for me.
You could say that the Apocalypse is an exact hard counter to THEIR {Angel of Glory Rise}, hmm? 😌
Suddenly, {Cloudshift}
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 17, 2012, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 17, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
{Zombie Apocalypse}
{Angel of Glory Rise} the EXACT HARD counter for apocolypse. That card is the reason i gave up my zombie deck. My play group carries at least 1 for me.
You could say that the Apocalypse is an exact hard counter to THEIR {Angel of Glory Rise}, hmm? 😌
Not for mine. My deck is to get {Call to the Kindred} out then throw out {Headless Skaab} and {Relentless Skaabs} out for free and many others. Glory Rise. All mine are gone. Exile > Graveyard. The angel even cost less so even if they are having a bit of mana problems they still can play it. Shuts down {Mikaues, the Unhallowed} and {Diregraf Captain}.
Touché! I forgot about the exile bit.
If you have blue in your zombie deck, make room for counter spells vs angel decks. Should help slow down the game a bit and get rid of game changing cards like the glory's rise, etc
Quote from: Wally on May 17, 2012, 06:13:49 PM
If you have blue in your zombie deck, make room for counter spells vs angel decks. Should help slow down the game a bit and get rid of game changing cards like the glory's rise, etc
i guess i can throw in a playset of {Physic Barriers}
Dude. Nobody is gonna play those cards, they're not very good. Zombies isn't that ubiquitous enough for people to sideboard big expensive things against them.
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
Dude. Nobody is gonna play those cards, they're not very good. Zombies isn't that ubiquitous enough for people to sideboard big expensive things against them.
What he said. No one will SB 1 card like that. If they do big deal. Run blue or don't dump all of your zombies, keep some in hand if you can.
1 card does not kill a deck (except nihil spellbomb versus self mill deck :/ )
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
Dude. Nobody is gonna play those cards, they're not very good. Zombies isn't that ubiquitous enough for people to sideboard big expensive things against them.
What he said. No one will SB 1 card like that. If they do big deal. Run blue or don't dump all of your zombies, keep some in hand if you can.
1 card does not kill a deck (except nihil spellbomb versus self mill deck :/ )
Sideboard slots are crucial. It's hard enough to choose 15 cards.
His bigger problem with that card is when they have it as a main deck and part of their wincon returning all the previously seen humans to the bf in one foul swoop. This is how I used it in the pre-release as I had two of them in my 40 cards.
I came equal second. So in my experience it can work, and well too!
I've seen W/R humans use it a bunch of times. It hoses zombies, and in the process buffs humans. It's a good card in limited.
Are zombies useless? No, but now an already weaker tribe has got to play extremely fast to be viable.
Black blue zombies is just plain bad, try black red morbid zombies. Now that a good deck.
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Black blue zombies is just plain bad, try black red morbid zombies. Now that a good deck.
Running more than one color with zombies screws with geralf and obliterator, right?
Would you just add red for burn?
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 17, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Black blue zombies is just plain bad, try black red morbid zombies. Now that a good deck.
Running more than one color with zombies screws with geralf and obliterator, right?
Would you just add red for burn?
The only red lands will be BR dual lands. {pillar of flames} is also a card that messes with zombies.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on May 18, 2012, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 17, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Black blue zombies is just plain bad, try black red morbid zombies. Now that a good deck.
Running more than one color with zombies screws with geralf and obliterator, right?
Would you just add red for burn?
The only red lands will be BR dual lands. {pillar of flames} is also a card that messes with zombies.
Goodbye {Gravecrawler}
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 17, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: SpiritedAway on May 17, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Black blue zombies is just plain bad, try black red morbid zombies. Now that a good deck.
Running more than one color with zombies screws with geralf and obliterator, right?
Would you just add red for burn?
If you run dual lands it is fine.
I don't know how many run Obliterators, but these decks are vicious and are starting to take over my local meta.
The zombie decks I've played against are too fast to rely on glory's rise. I have one in my bant pod sideboard, and even then I realized that {elesh norn} or even {gisela, blade of goldnight} are better 7 drops than the angel. Even against zombies.
In other words, keep playing zombies, glory's rise is not what makes r/w humans win. It's just a late game win condition. Less for the zombie aspect and more for the human resurrection factor, I don't believe you should ever mainboard the angel for the purpose of killing zombies.
Would {grimoire of the dead} stop {angel of glories rise} ? When she popped out could I sac grimoire and get all the humans? I think so but not sure. Thanks.
Quote from: Richardalcala on May 18, 2012, 03:11:44 PM
Would {grimoire of the dead} stop {angel of glories rise} ? When she popped out could I sac grimoire and get all the humans? I think so but not sure. Thanks.
If you have three counters, yes you can. And then Angel's ability will resolve exiling all the cards you just put in (you know, 'cause they're zombies).
You'd probably be better off with a {Nihil Spellbomb}.
Edit: ...or respond with a huge {Black Sun's Zenith}/{Killing wave}, and THEN the Grimoire. >:D
Thanks BJ. just trying not to give up on my undead army.
FYI. I just won with my blue human & zombie mill deck at our FNM. It was a 2HG and my housemate played our blue Ludevic's and spellskite control deck.
It was a brutal combo.
I'll post deck lists soon.
Update
I added more controll vs kill spells and I have to say I am liking my deck much more now.
Post the decklist please.
Quote from: Thorn on May 18, 2012, 07:24:23 PM
Post the decklist please.
posted. tell me what u think
I totally disagree. Just finished FNM and went 3&1.loosing only to a sword of mind & body Deck on a flyer