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Title: Gisela
Post by: Archaonday on May 15, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
Giselas ability means half damage is prevented. If I play a hypothetical 1/1 first strike, reach, deathtouch to block her attack does this mean she will still take 1 damage? The way I see it (probably incorrectly) is that she halves it to 0.5 leaving an imaginary 0.5 damage on the creature but as you can't deal 0.5 damage it has to be rounded up to 1. Or is she totally broken (IMHO) and make a 1/1 a 0/1?
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Greg54js on May 15, 2012, 06:49:30 PM
It still deals 1 damage because it says half rounded up. So .5 rounded up is 1
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on May 15, 2012, 06:49:30 PM
It still deals 1 damage because it says half rounded up. So .5 rounded up is 1
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Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Coffee Vampire on May 15, 2012, 07:25:29 PM
It says "PREVENT half that damage, rounded up." so it would prevent .5 of the damage, but rounded up it would prevent 1 damage. So I am thinking you would take 0. Does that make sense? :0
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Maximo on May 15, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
{Gisela, Blade of Goldknight}
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Greg54js on May 15, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 15, 2012, 07:25:29 PM
It says "PREVENT half that damage, rounded up." so it would prevent .5 of the damage, but rounded up it would prevent 1 damage. So I am thinking you would take 0. Does that make sense? :0

I didn't read the card before answering :p I knew the answer but forgot she said prevent.. Reading cards helps Lol
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Hays413 on May 15, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
1/1 - take 0 damage
2/2 - take 1 damage
3/3 - take 1 damage
4/4 - take 2 damage
5/5 - take 2 damage
6/6 - take 3 damage
7/7 - take 3 damage
8/8 - take 4 damage
9/9 - take 4 damage
...etc
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 15, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
1/1 - take 0 damage
2/2 - take 1 damage
3/3 - take 1 damage
4/4 - take 2 damage
5/5 - take 2 damage
6/6 - take 3 damage
7/7 - take 3 damage
8/8 - take 4 damage
9/9 - take 4 damage
...etc
Add +1 to ur odds an ur fine. 5/2 is 2.5 rounded up is 3
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Sagemaster on May 15, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 15, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
1/1 - take 0 damage
2/2 - take 1 damage
3/3 - take 1 damage
4/4 - take 2 damage
5/5 - take 2 damage
6/6 - take 3 damage
7/7 - take 3 damage
8/8 - take 4 damage
9/9 - take 4 damage
...etc
Add +1 to ur odds an ur fine. 5/2 is 2.5 rounded up is 3
If the prevented damage is rounded up then hays is right...
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 15, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 15, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
1/1 - take 0 damage
2/2 - take 1 damage
3/3 - take 1 damage
4/4 - take 2 damage
5/5 - take 2 damage
6/6 - take 3 damage
7/7 - take 3 damage
8/8 - take 4 damage
9/9 - take 4 damage
...etc
Add +1 to ur odds an ur fine. 5/2 is 2.5 rounded up is 3
If the prevented damage is rounded up then hays is right...
Then im reading something wrong. Half of an odd when end in a .5 which will round up to 1
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Greg54js on May 15, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 15, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 15, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
1/1 - take 0 damage
2/2 - take 1 damage
3/3 - 1.5 take 2 damage
4/4 - take 2 damage
5/5 - 2.5 take 3 damage
6/6 - take 3 damage
7/7 - 3.5 take 4 damage
8/8 - take 4 damage
9/9 - 4.5 take 5 damage
...etc
Add +1 to ur odds an ur fine. 5/2 is 2.5 rounded up is 3
If the prevented damage is rounded up then hays is right...
Then im reading something wrong. Half of an odd when end in a .5 which will round up to 1

Badluck is right
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Poof on May 15, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
Hays is right your preventing half damage rounded up not taking it.  5/2=2.5 round up u get 3.  Prevent 3 take 2.
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
 I read Hays wrong. I was looking at it as prevent. Not you take damage
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Greg54js on May 15, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: Poof on May 15, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
Hays is right your preventing half damage rounded up not taking it.  5/2=2.5 round up u get 3.  Prevent 3 take 2.

Stupid Gisela. I give up :p can't we all just play sigarda and be happy
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Coffee Vampire on May 15, 2012, 11:02:55 PM
It actually isn't that hard. The DAMAGE PREVENTED is rounded up. So whoever said that 5 would be reduced to 2 is correct. This is because 5 has no middle, so you prevent 2.5 damage. BUT it says to round up. So you prevent 3 damage, taking 2 to the face.

A common mistake is to think that the damage TAKEN instead of PREVENTED is rounded up. However, this is not the case. Prevented damage is rounded up. If you are taking an even amount of damage, prevent half of it. If you are taking an odd amount (like 7), prevent EXACTLY half of the damage, then add .5. That's right. ADD POINT FIVE. Then once you are done with your basic adition fun skillz, PREVENT that amount of damage. That's right. DO NOT TAKE THAT AMOUNT OF DAMAGE; Prevent it!

If you still have questions, re-read this post.
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Hays413 on May 16, 2012, 01:32:38 AM
Lol I think coffee needs to lay off the coffee. Jokes jokes... But seriously.

And yes we are right. It's simple reading comprehension. Not to insult anybody.

The way it is worded is actually the most elegant way to convey the ability. If it was;

"If a source would deal damage to you or a permanent you control, prevent half (rounded up) of that damage."

The syntax is correct but it just reads off. There are many ways to state what the ability does, but frankly, the card has it the best. Thus, the wording on the card and all cards like it (12).
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Archaonday on May 16, 2012, 03:50:00 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Gisela
Post by: Greg54js on May 16, 2012, 05:54:20 AM
Quote from: Hays413 on May 16, 2012, 01:32:38 AM
Lol I think coffee needs to lay off the coffee. Jokes jokes... But seriously.

And yes we are right. It's simple reading comprehension. Not to insult anybody.

The way it is worded is actually the most elegant way to convey the ability. If it was;

"If a source would deal damage to you or a permanent you control, prevent half (rounded up) of that damage."

The syntax is correct but it just reads off. There are many ways to state what the ability does, but frankly, the card has it the best. Thus, the wording on the card and all cards like it (12).

I apologize. I was exhausted and out of it last night when I was posting here