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Title: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: UNDIYINGBurrit0 on May 15, 2012, 07:39:17 AM
{Gideon jura} + {Avacyn angel of hope}. Their Creatures stay tapped forever. Nuff said
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: Killin88 on May 15, 2012, 07:42:35 AM
I feel mana being drained by the seconds thoughts good thoe
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: cltrn81 on May 15, 2012, 08:27:37 AM
I don't think this works.  Gideon will still take damage on their turn even if he is indestructible, therefore his loyalty counters will be reduced and he will go to the GY.  An indestructible permanent is only saved by lethal damage to P/T but if an effect would reduce the P/T, or loyalty counters in this scenario, then it will go to the GY.
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: scarsabrex on May 15, 2012, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 15, 2012, 08:27:37 AM
I don't think this works.  Gideon will still take damage on their turn even if he is indestructible, therefore his loyalty counters will be reduced and he will go to the GY.  An indestructible permanent is only saved by lethal damage to P/T but if an effect would reduce the P/T, or loyalty counters in this scenario, then it will go to the GY.

this
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: BlackJester on May 15, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
306.8. Damage dealt to a planeswalker results in that many loyalty counters being removed from it.

306.9. If a planeswalker's loyalty is 0, it's put into its owner's graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

This.
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
 so "prevent all damage enchanted creature is dealt" stop his loyalty from going down?
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: BlackJester on May 15, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 15, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
so "prevent all damage enchanted creature is dealt" stop his loyalty from going down?
Prevention will work, indestructibility won't. 
Title: Re: allways "skip" combat phase (no venser)
Post by: Maximo on May 15, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
Better off with {conjurer's closet} plus {stonehorn dignitary}.