4 {Sulfur Falls}
11 {Island}
10 {Mountain}
25 lands
4 {Vexing Devil}
3 {Invisible Stalker}
4 {Delver of Secrets}
11 creatures
4 {Mana Leak}
4 {Shock}
2 {Incinerate}
2 {Dissipate}
3 {Faithless Looting}
2 {Pillar of Flame}
4 {Runechanter's Pike}
3 {Ponder}
4 {Thought Scour}
1 {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}
29 other spells
Sideboard
Notes:
made it not so budget... advice?
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Isn't delver a type of Aggro deck?
Can you explain if that's true, what is tamiyo doing here?
since this is my first delver build i thot she mite be good, as either a small element of controll (like the dissipates) or for card drawing with her -2....
Quote from: GoJuDragon on May 07, 2012, 07:08:17 PM
since this is my first delver build i thot she mite be good, as either a small element of controll (like the dissipates) or for card drawing with her -2....
Right on. Just wanted your opinion. (I'm new to game so trying to soak up as much as I can)
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 07, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
Isn't delver a type of Aggro deck?
Can you explain if that's true, what is tamiyo doing here?
The point of delver is to drop one turn one, flip it turn two. Then you play a control game, counter magic and burn spells stop opponents creatures. All while you dump cards into the grave and draw your dek mostly on the end of your opponents turn all until you can equip a pike and swing for certain death. With either delver or in this case {invisible stalker}
oh also, what do u think is better, {incinerate}, or {shock}?
and also, {dissipate} or {mana leak}
Playset mana leak over dissipate if you have to choose between the 2
y? (im pretty new also and i just wnt to know y ud choose mana leak)
almosteric, what do u think about the tamiyo's?
Quote from: GoJuDragon on May 07, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
almosteric, what do u think about the tamiyo's?
I don't think the tamiyo is all that bad in a delver dek.
Taps creatures or pesky lands.
Against aggro you can draw an insane amount of cards.
On the other hand:
I'm not really a big fan of her ultimate in this build just because you want those instants and sorceries in your grave for the pike.
I'd say make her a one of and run something else like {think twice}
ok. also what do u think of those 2 questions up there ^
Quote from: GoJuDragon on May 07, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
ok. also what do u think of those 2 questions up there ^
It's really a personal opinion. I'd run 3 of {mana leaks}, two {dissapate}
And pretty much the same for 3 {shock} two {incinerate}.
This way you're keeping mana open to run all the EOT tricks.
Quote from: GoJuDragon on May 07, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
y? (im pretty new also and i just wnt to know y ud choose mana leak)
Like stated above
Delver t1 and then flip t2, 3:2 flyer and counter whatever they play if possible. Instants are your friend so you can either counter or play something at the end of their turn.
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 07, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on May 07, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
y? (im pretty new also and i just wnt to know y ud choose mana leak)
Like stated above
Delver t1 and then flip t2, 3:2 flyer and counter whatever they play if possible. Instants are your friend so you can either counter or play something at the end of their turn.
ok thx man
I'd dump {vexing devil} for {stormblood berserker}, or just add him in addition.
The difference between the 2 counters is U really. One is good for early game or when opponent is tapped out and the other costs more but counters unless they counter it. Like mentioned above run 3 leaks and 2 dissipates. Sounds smart
Quote from: Dudecore on May 07, 2012, 08:48:13 PM
I'd dump {vexing devil} for {stormblood berserker}, or just add him in addition.
thats what i origionaaly had, but i couldnt think of a reason that stormblood was better than the devil...
It's better if they say "ok, I take 4 life", then you don't have a creature. Or if they say "go ahead", and destroy it. Stormblood is a beast, and if you give him a sword he's bad news.
The problem with creatures like {vexing devil} is that your opponent is always going to make the best choice for them at the time he drops. So if they have advantage, they can limit him.
He becomes less valuable the longer the game goes, as the game progresses towards turn 5, the fatties are on the field and he's only a good chump blocker.
Is he worse then {stormblood berserker}? Probably not. Id rather have stormblood with a pike, dealing first strike damage on 2 creatures.
true, but early in game he is rly good, either 4 damage turn 1 if they take it or 4 on turn 2 from the attack, and thats y i have him in here, to get some good early game damage in
Taking 4 damage for card advantage (you're down a card) and possible board control isn't the end of the world. It's why phyrexian mana cards are popular...you're using a resource (life total) to remove an opponents resource (creature).
The 4 on turn 1, or 4 on turn 2, well none of that is guaranteed. Say your opponent has an answer to it, and doesn't take the damage?
My point is, leaving choices to opponents results in them making the best choices for themselves. It could likely be a better option then Stormblood, but I don't see it as a clear cut "better" card. I haven't play tested vexing devil yet
neither have 1, thats another 1 of the reasons im using it