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Title: Possession Flicker
Post by: HandsomeStallion on May 07, 2012, 04:44:01 AM
I got a question that came in mind.
Can you cast a spell that takes control of an opposing creature until the end of turn like {Act of Treason} and then cast a spell that exiles a creature you control and then bring it back under your control again like {Cloudshift} does the creature becomes yours permanently and made act or treason void? Or is this creature control too good to be true?
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: Poof on May 07, 2012, 04:47:14 AM
It works exactly like that u gain control permanently
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: HandsomeStallion on May 07, 2012, 04:59:50 AM
Nice! :D
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: CajunJynx on May 07, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: Druknal on May 07, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
That's when you {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded} -6 into {Sudden Disappearene}. Epic turn aroud Imo.
Oh 💩!
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: BlackJester on May 07, 2012, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 07, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: Druknal on May 07, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
That's when you {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded} -6 into {Sudden Disappearene}. Epic turn aroud Imo.
Oh 💩!
They go back to their owner. 😭
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: HandsomeStallion on May 08, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Yup they go back to the owner with when you casted {Sudden Dissapearance}. But you can use {Sundial of the Infinite} to permanently remove all the creatures your opponent controls.
Then again I wonder if I can take control of a creature permanently with {Zealous Conscripts} or {Act of Treason} and ending the turn immediately with {Sundial of the Infinite} :o
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: BlackJester on May 08, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: HandsomeStallion on May 08, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Yup they go back to the owner with when you casted {Sudden Dissapearance}. But you can use {Sundial of the Infinite} to permanently remove all the creatures your opponent controls.
Then again I wonder if I can take control of a creature permanently with {Zealous Conscripts} or {Act of Treason} and ending the turn immediately with {Sundial of the Infinite} :o
No because there is no trigger.  They are "End of Turn" effects that wear off. 
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: Indiana Brones on May 08, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
So the consensus here is that cloudshifting an act of treasoned card does not let you keep it permanently?
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: Poof on May 08, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
No one ever said that cloudshifting does work
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: Willthomjr on May 08, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Indiana Brones on May 08, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
So the consensus here is that cloudshifting an act of treasoned card does not let you keep it permanently?

It comes into play as yours keywords "your control"
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: BlackJester on May 08, 2012, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Indiana Brones on May 08, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
So the consensus here is that cloudshifting an act of treasoned card does not let you keep it permanently?
It does let you keep it.

When you {Cloudshift}, it leaves play and comes back under your control as a new creature, forgetting all that it once was (to get all poetical).  By that I mean that it forgets the treason "end of turn" stuff and just stays with you.
Title: Re: Possession Flicker
Post by: Poof on May 08, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
It's all in the fine
Print return to owner or controller are 2 different things.  As is beginning of end step and end of turn