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Title: Tamiyo
Post by: Hamstar on May 06, 2012, 12:11:34 AM
Two questions about {tamiyo, the moon sage}: 1. For her +1, does the permanent ever untap? 2. Can you use the +1 ability on a creature that tapped when my opponent attacked last turn?
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: BadLuckIrish on May 06, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
 1. Its they dont untap on there NEXT untap so it untaps the turn after.

2. I dont believe you can tap a tapped creature so no.
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: Poof on May 06, 2012, 12:17:16 AM
You can use the the ability on a tapped creature and it won't allow it to untap next untap step
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: Drbusta50 on May 06, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
You can't tap a tapped creature.
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: scarsabrex on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: Drbusta50 on May 06, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
You can't tap a tapped creature.

true but you can still target it. and the rest of the effect atill works normally.
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: cltrn81 on May 06, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: Drbusta50 on May 06, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
You can't tap a tapped creature.

true but you can still target it. and the rest of the effect atill works normally.
⬆ this

You can target a tapped creature and that creature will not untap on their next untap step.
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: Coffee Vampire on May 06, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
If it was:

"Tap target permanent: that permanent doesn't untap during its controler's next untap step."

Then it would not work, because tapping the creature is the cost. But it isn't. No colon = no worries! :)
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: scarsabrex on May 06, 2012, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 06, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
If it was:

"Tap target permanent: that permanent doesn't untap during its controler's next untap step."

Then it would not work, because tapping the creature is the cost. But it isn't. No colon = no worries! :)

god forbid there are any targets ever in the cost
Title: Re: Tamiyo
Post by: HandsomeStallion on May 07, 2012, 04:34:16 AM
Basically you can use {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} +1 ability on a tapped permanent. And you can even keep freezing the same card over and over again.
Consider the following
1) you can target any permanent on the battlefield unless there is an ability that prohibits it like hexproof or shroud.
And (reading her effect closely)
2) the ability doesn't say " tap target UNTAPPED permanent." which means that there is no cost because it's already paid for. in that case I say have fun freezing stuff my friend.