Lets just assume you have two {flayer of the hatebound} in play, and you are able to sacrifice them, or get them to die simultaneously, they both come back from the gy, both dealing 5 damage (10 total) then their abilities feed off of each other and they both deal 5 more, (now 20 total)...nice
barter in blood anybody?
I did 4 {Flayer of the Hatebound} + {Damnation} for ****s and giggles.
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 05, 2012, 12:47:23 AM
I did 4 {Flayer of the Hatebound} + {Damnation} for ****s and giggles.
That's fun
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on May 05, 2012, 12:45:42 AM
Lets just assume you have two {flayer of the hatebound} in play, and you are able to sacrifice them, or get them to die simultaneously, they both come back from the gy, both dealing 5 damage (10 total) then their abilities feed off of each other and they both deal 5 more, (now 20 total)...nice
I think you have to do one than the other because of the stack but I'm not sure...but it's still 15 if what I'm saying is right...
actually... yeah you're right. the triggers resolve one at a time. so the 2nd one to come back isn't therebto help deal the first volley of damage.
now if you were able to kill them one at a time both on the same turn then that would work.
Fun trick I have with double flayers. Melira, any persist creature, and a way to sac it. My personal favorite is either {bloodthrone vampire} or {viscera seer}. And for the persist creature, my favorite is {furystoke giant}. Sac, deal dmg, give everything pinging ability, sac again, game.
Nice "combo"...I have a combo too...
Let's assume you have 4 Black Lotus in your hand, 2 Dark Ritual, and Blightsteel. And field adventage with 5000 1/1 red goblin tokens. Oh and let's assume you can give the blightsteel haste.
BAM!!!
Throw in { Curse of Bloodletting} for the lulz
Each instance will trigger twice. 20 points.
Quote from: BlackJester on May 06, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
Each instance will trigger twice. 20 points.
How so? They'd have to come back one at a time right? So the first one wouldn't trigger the second ones ability right?
Quote from: Sagemaster on May 06, 2012, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 06, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
Each instance will trigger twice. 20 points.
How so? They'd have to come back one at a time right? So the first one wouldn't trigger the second ones ability right?
Why wouldn't it? When any number of creatures enter the BF, each one sees the others enter. Same goes for dying.
Say you cast {Living Death} with three {Essense Warden}s in the bin. When they all come back each one will see the others enter, so you will gain 3 life per creature, 9 in this case.
Oh okay, I didn't they returned simultaneously haha
Actually now that I think about it, if undying is bringing them back, they would enter one at a time, after each of their undying triggers resolve, not the same as {Living Death}.
Quote from: BlackJester on May 07, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
Actually now that I think about it, if undying is bringing them back, they would enter one at a time, after each of their undying triggers resolve, not the same as {Living Death}.
So wait was I actually right?
It depends on how they ETB, but most likely:
Two undying triggers on the stack. The first one returns one guy and then adds its ETB ability to the stack.
Then that resolves dealing 5 damage. The second undying brings back the second devil which puts its trigger and the other devil's trigger on the stack. 15 total when it's all said and done.
But, as I said, of they both come back together (a la {Living End}) then you'd get 20.
So, if you have two flayers out, and you use {barter in blood} then sac both, they die at the same time ad come back at the same time, doing 20 damage. Right? I ask because my brother playes a deck with 2 and I'm scared o.o
Quote from: Sin1220 on May 11, 2012, 12:11:30 PM
So, if you have two flayers out, and you use {barter in blood} then sac both, they die at the same time ad come back at the same time, doing 20 damage. Right? I ask because my brother playes a deck with 2 and I'm scared o.o
If undying brings them back, their undying triggers will stack one after the other. The only way to have them enter together it "mass reanimation".
(Edit: well, not the 'only' way... but undying will always go one at a time.)
Quote from: Alex2911 on May 11, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 06, 2012, 08:57:46 PM
Nice "combo"...I have a combo too...
Let's assume you have 4 Black Lotus in your hand, 2 Dark Ritual, and Blightsteel. And field adventage with 5000 1/1 red goblin tokens. Oh and let's assume you can give the blightsteel haste.
BAM!!!
How the hell do you have 4 Black Lotus. I wouldn't let any one play with more than one, even in a casual game. Too OP
#missingthejoke
So it would be more prudent to use something like fling or {bone splinters} one at a time?
Quote from: Sin1220 on May 11, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
So it would be more prudent to use something like fling or {bone splinters} one at a time?
yes
Quote from: Sin1220 on May 11, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
So it would be more prudent to use something like fling or {bone splinters} one at a time?
Yes, if you fling the first one you will do 14 damage, fling the second one and it becomes 28.
Not too shabby.
actually using one fling or bone splinters does the job. just sac one flayerband target the other. undying triggers immediately after the sacrifice. so a devil comes back as a 5/3 both trigger dealing 10 damage then the other devil dies comes back an deals the other 10damage.
Quote from: scarsabrex on May 14, 2012, 08:27:56 PM
actually using one fling or bone splinters does the job. just sac one flayerband target the other. undying triggers immediately after the sacrifice. so a devil comes back as a 5/3 both trigger dealing 10 damage then the other devil dies comes back an deals the other 10damage.
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