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Title: Miracle
Post by: Harmon74 on May 02, 2012, 03:21:18 PM
I'd like to hear if anybody got to play a miracle card yet, and how they went about doing it.  I had kind of a bad experience with it during pre-release.  The guy was able to miracle twice in 3 games.  The second time he did it, he untapped, drew, played a land, and then said, "oh!  I just drew this!" and then played it.  A little fishy to me.  Oh well.  Just let me know how you guys went about playing your miracle card.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Cakeisfun on May 02, 2012, 03:40:55 PM
It has to be done as SOON as you draw after your upkeep.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: cltrn81 on May 02, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
I understand it as a trigger that ends once the draw phase is finished.  Others say that you can play it during anytime of your turn as long as you keep the card you drew seperate from your other cards in your hand.

*shrugs* IDK
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Poof on May 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Once he played a land he voids the miracle don't know if he mixed the card in with his hand that voids it too he would have to have shown it to
You as soon as
He drew it for it
To be valid
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Kaizer_lanz on May 02, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
-I used temporal mastery as a miracle. That's what it is!!! Well, you can cast it in any turn if it was a sorcery in an opponents turn you know you can't used it, the miracle effect is waste. To make the miracle effect work it has to be the first card card in any turn that you draw. If you draw a card in an opponents turn and it's the first one you can use it if is a instant.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Dywolf on May 02, 2012, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: Kaizer_lanz on May 02, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
-I used temporal mastery as a miracle. That's what it is!!! Well, you can cast it in any turn if it was a sorcery in an opponents turn you know you can't used it, the miracle effect is waste. To make the miracle effect work it has to be the first card card in any turn that you draw. If you draw a card in an opponents turn and it's the first one you can use it if is a instant.

Even if it's not instant you can cast it on your opponent turn or it's miracle cost
Since you can cast it right away if it's the first card you drew this turn
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Poof on May 02, 2012, 05:35:24 PM
Sorceries can't be cast during your upkeep either don't know if u knew that but miracle overrides that
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Dywolf on May 02, 2012, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Poof on May 02, 2012, 05:35:24 PM
Sorceries can't be cast during your upkeep either don't know if u knew that but miracle overrides that
That's right you can cast a sorcery only in the 2 main phase
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Harmon74 on May 02, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Yeah I haven't played any miracle cards yet, but I'm sure I wouldn't put in my hand, play a land, and then tell you I drew it.  It kinda pissed me off, because it cost me the game both times.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Poof on May 02, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Why didnt u call the judge
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Harmon74 on May 02, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Poof on May 02, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Why didnt u call the judge
Meh.  I don't know.  I guess I should have.  I guess I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, or make the dude feel like I was calling him lire.  Figured I'd just rant about it later on imtg.  Lol! 
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Rass on May 02, 2012, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 02, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Poof on May 02, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Why didnt u call the judge
Meh.  I don't know.  I guess I should have.  I guess I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, or make the dude feel like I was calling him lire.  Figured I'd just rant about it later on imtg.  Lol!

My bad that was you??


Jkjk
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 02, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
Prereleases are tough. Everyone is playing with new cards for the first time. It's supposed to be a big fun thing, but it's still an official event. There's still prizes and rankings on the line.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Jake, Fart Sculptor on May 03, 2012, 12:47:14 AM
My friend did the same to me, it didn't save his life, but I let him get away with it. We're all so close at the shop I play at, I know he would have done the same for me. I do tend to be more aware and may not have made the mistake, but of i did, he would have responded in kind. Outside of my shop or at a larger event, I would have called a judge.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: CajunJynx on May 03, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
I reveal a miracle when I draw the decide if I want to play it. Judge said it made sense to him.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 03, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 03, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
I reveal a miracle when I draw the decide if I want to play it. Judge said it made sense to him.
There's nothing against that in the rules. Just don't expect to play it for the miracle cost later in the turn, obviously.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Poof on May 03, 2012, 03:21:13 PM
I don't see Why u would reveal if not playing it right when u draw
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Well, say you draw the green card that is miracle instant that is like a super giant growth, you reveal it to your opponent.  Now it's your attack phase.  You've got 3 attackers, and hes got 2 blockers.  Can you play the miracle card after blockers are declared?
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: scarsabrex on May 03, 2012, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Well, say you draw the green card that is miracle instant that is like a super giant growth, you reveal it to your opponent.  Now it's your attack phase.  You've got 3 attackers, and hes got 2 blockers.  Can you play the miracle card after blockers are declared?

sure as long as it is an instant and you are paying FULL price
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Poof on May 03, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
You're paying full price for it if it's an instant and he knows u have it so why did u reveal it again?
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
Well that's what I'm wondering.  If you reveal it when you draw it, can you wait to play it during attack for miracle cost?
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 03, 2012, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
Well that's what I'm wondering.  If you reveal it when you draw it, can you wait to play it during attack for miracle cost?
You only ever get one time to cast it as a miracle and that is right when you draw it.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: scarsabrex on May 03, 2012, 10:18:25 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
Well that's what I'm wondering.  If you reveal it when you draw it, can you wait to play it during attack for miracle cost?

or more specificly


The latest reminder text for Miracle reads You may cast this card for its Miracle cost WHEN YOU DRAW IT if it's the first card you drew this turn.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 03, 2012, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on May 03, 2012, 10:18:25 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 03, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
Well that's what I'm wondering.  If you reveal it when you draw it, can you wait to play it during attack for miracle cost?

or more specificly


The latest reminder text for Miracle reads You may cast this card for its Miracle cost WHEN YOU DRAW IT if it's the first card you drew this turn.
Exactly!  Just read the card and do what it says, not what you think/want it to say. 😜
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Juggalonoke on May 04, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Ok say I keep an opening hand with an entreat the Angelshow would I go about paying that dual x mana cost non miracle that's what's confusing me
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 04, 2012, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: Juggalonoke on May 04, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Ok say I keep an opening hand with an {entreat the Angels}how would I go about paying that dual x mana cost non miracle that's what's confusing me
You start by choosing a value for X. Say you declare X=2. Then you pay (2)(2)WWW or 4WWW.  When it resolves, you get two 4/4 angels.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Juggalonoke on May 04, 2012, 05:14:59 PM
Ok then why did they make it a dual X instead of a single X like the sun zeniths instead of confusing people
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: BlackJester on May 04, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: Juggalonoke on May 04, 2012, 05:14:59 PM
Ok then why did they make it a dual X instead of a single X like the sun zeniths instead of confusing people
If they gave you one 4/4 flier for every one mana, well that's pretty broken.

So far you are the only one that I've heard from that is confused.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: CajunJynx on May 04, 2012, 06:19:27 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on May 03, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 03, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
I reveal a miracle when I draw the decide if I want to play it. Judge said it made sense to him.
There's nothing against that in the rules. Just don't expect to play it for the miracle cost later in the turn, obviously.
Obviously.
Title: Re: Miracle
Post by: Juggalonoke on May 04, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
Dosent surprise me I haven't been playing for that long do I still get confused rather easy with something's sometimes