This came up at fnm, judge sided with me, but still got me thinking
Long story short, I cut his deck in half, then slid the top card to the bottom. That was the one creature he needed so he called hacks, but judge ruled it a legal cut.
Are there any illegal cuts I need to stay away from? Or as long as it's a cut I'm just fine?
During the start of a game your opponent should shuffle and then present a randomized deck to you. (because of the shuffling it should be random, this is why "mana weaving" and just pile shuffling is a no no, as they don't truly randomize the deck)
Then as a measure to ensure your opponent is still not doing something tricky with their shuffling; You have the right to shuffle/cut their deck to also randomize their deck again.
As long as your means of a cut/shuffle, still keeps the cards random, and at no time do you look at the face of their cards. Then you are in the clear.
The point of all of this is to make sure both decks are completely random to both players knowledge. Your cut is legal because you had no clue which card was on top(unless you peaked at it some how: then that's cheating then).
I mentioned the other day in a trend I like to take the bottom seven cards and put them on top of their deck as my cut. This is also fine as I have no clue which cards are on the bottom. Did I give them the perfect hand? Maybe it is all lands. Neither of us should know until they draw their starting hands.
Sorry for the wall of text. Have a cookie. 🍪
Quote from: Taysby on June 22, 2016, 03:57:12 AM
This came up at fnm, judge sided with me, but still got me thinking
Long story short, I cut his deck in half, then slid the top card to the bottom. That was the one creature he needed so he called hacks, but judge ruled it a legal cut.
Are there any illegal cuts I need to stay away from? Or as long as it's a cut I'm just fine?
How'd he know it was the one creature he needed?
Did you have his whole deck in hand and then slipped the one card? Was there a reason or just trying to be cute?
In general, there's no such thing as an illegal cut. In practice, just a normal cut or shuffle keeps the salt from flowing.
I've cut before when after my half cuts or whatever I count the top seven cards and put them on the bottom. I've only done that in a swiss but it's legal as long as we're not looking at the cards
Next time you go to locals you should hand him some mc donalds fries so he can put some of that salt on them
Quote from: General kiwi on June 22, 2016, 04:47:36 PM
Next time you go to locals you should hand him some mc donalds fries so he can put some of that salt on them
You get +1 with my cut lol
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2016, 04:02:34 AMHe found out when he mulled to 5 and checked to "see what it was"
So he found out before the game and then blamed his loss on a card that was shuffled into a random place in his deck before he drew 5 cards?
Yeah. He just didn't want to blame the loss on variance or anything he had control of.
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2016, 04:02:34 AM
He found out when he mulled to 5 and checked to "see what it was"
That's actually not aloud he could have got a warning for that
Quote from: Prplprince on June 23, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2016, 04:02:34 AM
He found out when he mulled to 5 and checked to "see what it was"
That's actually not aloud he could have got a warning for that
How is it not allowed? He looked at 6, decided to mull to 5 and looked at the bottom card.
What rule was broken?
Quote from: griffin131 on June 23, 2016, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: Prplprince on June 23, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2016, 04:02:34 AM
He found out when he mulled to 5 and checked to "see what it was"
That's actually not aloud he could have got a warning for that
How is it not allowed? He looked at 6, decided to mull to 5 and looked at the bottom card.
What rule was broken?
Ah i didn't read the mull part lol