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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Prplprince on April 20, 2016, 07:39:35 PM

Title: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: Prplprince on April 20, 2016, 07:39:35 PM
Lets have an edh example where everyone has the mana to cast all spells. There are 4 players at the table.

An opponent casts {Abrupt Decay}. Can I respond with  {Split Decision}?

I have two thoughts in mind about it. Either:

1. I can't target because there's a counter option.

2. I can target it and it would only resolve if the copy portion is voted on by the group.

Title: Re: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: Prplprince on April 20, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Sorry I meant the tittle to have  {Abrupt Decay} but the first spell I thought of with can't be countered was the Verdict 😅
Title: Re: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: redwolv on April 20, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
Option 2 is correct. It can be cast. But if it comes up counter then nothing happens, but it could be copied!
Title: Re: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: Prplprince on April 20, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: redwolv on April 20, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
Option 2 is correct. It can be cast. But if it comes up counter then nothing happens, but it could be copied!

Great thanks!
Title: Re: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: Kaylesh on April 21, 2016, 04:01:45 AM
Important thing here is, that a spell that can't be countered, can still be targeted by a counterspell. The countering just will not happen.
So say you really want to draw cards, you can {arcane denial} your uncounterable spell, to draw three.
Title: Re: Supreme Verdict & Split Decision
Post by: Coffee Vampire on April 21, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Ah, Kaylesh beat me to it! But to go off of what he said, think of it like this: you can still target an indestructable creature with {Doom Blade}, even though {Doom Blade} will not destroy it. Same concept with counterspells. You can target an uncounterable spell like {Abrupt Decay} or {Supreme Verdict} with a counterspell, even though it fails to counter the spell when it resolves.

So, why would you try to counter an uncounterable spell? Same reason you might cast {Ruinous Path} for its awaken cost on an indestructable creature: you still get the spell's other effects (the ones that work). So if I cast {Remand} targeting your {Abrupt Decay}, your {Abrupt Decay} does not get countered (and therefore does not return to your hand). BUT you DO draw a card.