On my turn can I target an opponents {Spellskite} with a {Vines of Vastwood} to prevent its redirect ability ?
Yea the fact that vines doesn't say "creature you control" makes it quite silly. The reason why {god's willing} type cards always said you control is so you couldn't counter auras and the like just by giving their creature pro whatever relevant color.
Funny story is that this came up at the protour recently and the infect player scooped after playing it when I thought it won him the game. The guys in the booth discussed it briefly and decided it didn't work as we just described that it did.
Quote from: delregnr on February 13, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
Funny story is that this came up at the protour recently and the infect player scooped after playing it when I thought it won him the game. The guys in the booth discussed it briefly and decided it didn't work as we just described that it did.
This is because the infect player thought it would prevent his pump spells from being redirected to {Spellskite}. This doesn't work because the vines does not give hexproof; it will protect the {Spellskite} from spells your opponents control. Since the infect player controls the pump spells, the opponent can still redirect them to {Spellskite}.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 13, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
No it gives the spellskite the ability " it cannot be the target of spells your opponents control"
Since the infect player owns the spells and controls them, and the spellskite can no long be target by them then the Kite cannot take them over.
i dont think this is right man.. it says "creature cant be target or spell your opponent controls". it says nothing about giving it this ability.
from gatherer:
4/15/2013 This is not the same as hexproof. If, for example, you target one of your opponent's creatures, your opponents won't be able to target their own creature with spells or abilities.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 13, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
No it gives the spellskite the ability " it cannot be the target of spells your opponents control"
Since the infect player owns the spells and controls them, and the spellskite can no long be target by them then the Kite cannot take them over.
Incorrect. "Your opponents" in this case is not the infect player, it is the player controlling the {Spellskite}. Therefore, that player can redirect pump spells played by the infect player onto {Spellskite}.
Who is the opponent when I play a spell on:
My creature
Or an opponents creature ?
both times your opponent is opponent since you controvlyour own spell no matter the target
Quote from: mickeven on February 14, 2016, 06:36:11 PM
both times your opponent is opponent since you controvlyour own spell no matter the target
Do you still control the spell after it resolves?
After a spell resolves it is no longer a spell. It is either a permanent, which remains under your control until something says otherwise, or it goes to the graveyard if it is an instant or sorcery. Whoever cast the spell is its controller.
if Vines said "target creature gets Hexproof until eot" then this would work like you want it to, but in this case its clearly not. the gatherer explanation is pretty straight forward
Where would I find that explanation? The way it was explained to me is that as the controller of the spell my opponent can no longer activate spellskites ability to target it. Because that creature cannot be the target of abilities my opponent controls.
this from the Gatherer for {Vines of Vastwood}.
4/15/2013 This is not the same as hexproof. If, for example, you target one of your opponent's creatures, your opponents won't be able to target their own creature with spells or abilities.
you can click on the card link here and view this under rules.
The point is, Player A plays vines targetting spellskite. That means that spellskite can no longer be the target of spells Player B (Player A's opponent) controls. Meaning any spells or abilities that Player B plays cannot target spellskite. Spellskite's ability doesnt target itself, only the spell or ability it is redirecting.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on February 14, 2016, 11:03:14 PM
The point is, Player A plays vines targetting spellskite. That means that spellskite can no longer be the target of spells Player B (Player A's opponent) controls. Meaning any spells or abilities that Player B plays cannot target spellskite. Spellskite's ability doesnt target itself, only the spell or ability it is redirecting.
Not true.
Vines says "your opponent" meaning Player B's opponent. It's not an ability of the Spellskite, it's simply a fact of rules at that point.
You are describing Hexproof, which Vines explicitly isn't.
Quote from: griffin131 on February 14, 2016, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on February 14, 2016, 11:03:14 PM
The point is, Player A plays vines targetting spellskite. That means that spellskite can no longer be the target of spells Player B (Player A's opponent) controls. Meaning any spells or abilities that Player B plays cannot target spellskite. Spellskite's ability doesnt target itself, only the spell or ability it is redirecting.
Not true.
Vines says "your opponent" meaning Player B's opponent. It's not an ability of the Spellskite, it's simply a fact of rules at that point.
You are describing Hexproof, which Vines explicitly isn't.
Griffin, i think you read it wrong. Fahrenheit is saying exactly what you are saying
You're right, I did. Sorry.
Am I speaking a different language? This is the second time in two threads that I have been told I am wrong only to have the exact same thing explained afterwards.
By the way, that was a joke. I just find it amusing.
I will take that as a no to my question. Based on the Spellskite' s controller doesn't target it to activate its ability.
Quote from: delregnr on February 15, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
I will take that as a no to my question. Based on the Spellskite' s controller doesn't target it to activate its ability.
Correct, Vines does not stop your opponent from stealing your buffs.