So I'm playing some legacy cube on moto and I'm playing burn about to die to {dragonlord dromoka}. I have one flying thopter from {Pia and Kira nalaar.} before blocks, my opponent activates his {master of the wild hunt} with one wolf token to fight my thopter. In response, I activated {grim lavamancer} targeting his wolf. No further responses, stack resolves. When stack is empty both the wolf and the thopter are dead. So now I have no blockers and dromoka is gonna kill me. But for a fight to happen, don't both creatures have to be present for it. As far as I understand there is a difference between "bob deals two damage to jim," and "bob fights jim." I already submitted a refund request but I doubt they will give me much of a rules explanation either way. Sorry for the wall of text....
Quote from: particle on January 26, 2016, 10:49:11 AM
So I'm playing some legacy cube on moto and I'm playing burn about to die to {dragonlord dromoka}. I have one flying thopter from {Pia and Kira nalaar.} before blocks, my opponent activates his {master of the wild hunt} with one wolf token to fight my thopter. In response, I activated {grim lavamancer} targeting his wolf. No further responses, stack resolves. When stack is empty both the wolf and the thopter are dead. So now I have no blockers and dromoka is gonna kill me. But for a fight to happen, don't both creatures have to be present for it. As far as I understand there is a difference between "bob deals two damage to jim," and "bob fights jim." I already submitted a refund request but I doubt they will give me much of a rules explanation either way. Sorry for the wall of text....
I don't know the specifics of rules too well, but I do agree that the fight doesn't do anything since the wolf should be dead by your response. I think the fight still happens and still targets your thopter, but since the wolf isn't present for the fight, your thopter takes no damage.
On fight:
701.10b (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=701.10b): If a creature instructed to fight is no longer on the battlefield or is no longer a creature, no damage is dealt. If a creature is an illegal target for a resolving spell or ability that instructs it to fight, no damage is dealt.
So, the wolf would have been dead before the fight, thopter would survive.
I did not realize {wolfir silverheart} was also on the field and is a wolf. My thopter rightfully died. They credited me with it anyway. Mono red ftw!
Quote from: particle on January 26, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
I did not realize {wolfir silverheart} was also on the field and is a wolf. My thopter rightfully died. They credited me with it anyway. Mono red ftw!
Yeah, that changes things. Board states sometimes really matter...
And rereading Master I realized it doesn't use the "fight" keyword.
On resolution you tap all wolves, they do damage to a target, target does damage to the wolves.
Killing all wolves in response would still stop the damage though, as the wolves are tapped & power counted at resolution, and not as a cost.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 26, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
Wolfir ate you thopter hard core bro...
especially if soulbound...
Was soul bonded with dromoka. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜