{splinter twin}
{summer bloom}
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-01-18
Tron and affinity will win the next 5 major modern events lol
Also {cloud of faeries} banned in pauper :( my delver deck just got worse :(
Wow that is huge.
Everyone keeps saying that Tron and Affinity will dominate now. Yeah, everyone said the same thing about Abzan once Pod was banned.
The reason WotC banned Twin was because it was limiting deck diversity. Blue control decks always turned into Twin because having an "I win" button if your opponent ever tapped out turned out to be really good. Now, we might see different blue decks emerge with different win conditions, and maybe one or more of them will stand up to Tron.
Go boggles
Affinity and tron are "unfair" though whereas Abzan is the epitamy of "fair"
Plus tron gets a huge boost in OGW with {Warping Wail} and affinity is always op lol
I would've liked an unbanning (sword of the meek) but I'm OK with this.
And no sfm unban either
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 16, 2016, 08:59:44 AM
Affinity and tron are "unfair" though whereas Abzan is the epitamy of "fair"
Plus tron gets a huge boost in OGW with {Warping Wail} and affinity is always op lol
Affinity is so easy to hate it won't do as well as you think. And people are running Affinity hate as incidental because most of it hits Tron as well.
I think Merfolk, Burn and Zoo have a chance to do well.
Lol gotta love a reprint of twin in mm2 and now it gets banned.
Well if you can land gaddock teeg and destroy all red sources for pyro
You're good :)
So happy with this ban!!!! The only two deck I had a stupidly hard time beating are gone!!!
Long live 8-rack :P
And before I get hate, I understand some players don't like the decision! And I hope they find decks they enjoy as much as the ones they just lost!
But I've never Had fun against bloom or twin! A always get beaten in turn 3-4 by them!
I've only become familiar with eternal formats in the last year or so:
How often are there bans for legacy that completely remove a deck in comparison to modern?
Seems like birthing pod, twin and summerbloom, eggs were all decks that simply were done after a single banning of a piece
Mattao eating his words lol
So now tho: has legacy been affected by bans like so? Dtt ban was reasonable, same with cruise
It seems that's a good point of playing legacy: your deck isn't gonna get banned
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 16, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
I've only become familiar with eternal formats in the last year or so:
How often are there bans for legacy that completely remove a deck in comparison to modern?
Seems like birthing pod, twin and summerbloom, eggs were all decks that simply were done after a single banning of a piece
Aaaand that's why I only play legacy. People say legacy is too expensive but standard rotates and modern decks that people drop hundreds if not thousands on get banned out of existence. Crazy.
There was loads of talk about a {sensei's divining top} ban that didn't eventuate. Besides that, and treasure cruise there hasn't really been any rumblings about cards that should be banned for AGES in legacy. And nor should there be, the format usually has all the tools needed to sort itself out.
As far as the latest round of bannings go, the one I am most excited about is {cloud of faeries}. I have been ranting about that card for far too long. So happy I don't need to anymore, and it also feels good to be able to say 'I told you so' :)
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on January 16, 2016, 09:37:12 PM
There was loads of talk about a {sensei's divining top} ban that didn't eventuate. Besides that, and treasure cruise there hasn't really been any rumblings about cards that should be banned for AGES in legacy. And nor should there be, the format usually has all the tools needed to sort itself out.
As far as the latest round of bannings go, the one I am most excited about is {cloud of faeries}. I have been ranting about that card for far too long. So happy I don't need to anymore, and it also feels good to be able to say 'I told you so' :)
The difference is, when a card or two are banned in legacy it doesn't kill entire decks like modern bans do. Plus legacy is just so fun to play. Even when I lose on my turn 0, I feel that it's by far the best format. Haha
Just found such a valid point for legacy over modern
Lol I know that legacy and Modern are both about equal in prices atm and the twin banning screwed modern up BUT ya you got me lol. Like modern is still cheaper but less banning a and less meta changers is a strong reason to push legacy but Modern is still awesome
Moreso referring to past tron hate of taysby ;)
I find it more fun to play with the most powerful cards. Legacy = most powerful = most fun.
I do realise that by this logic vintage should be the most fun, but I do not have enough body parts to harvest and sell on the black market to be able to afford to play vintage.
I am against using proxies for anything other than playtesting anyway so it wouldn't matter.
Plus WotC is cracking down on that
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 17, 2016, 10:08:13 AM
Plus WotC is cracking down on that
They aren't. They only care about stores profiting off of events using proxies. And even then, I don't think they care that much.
The reason they emailed that one store in particular was because its proxy tournament had a suspiciously large prize pool. And the bit about no proxies, period? Know the game, "Telephone"?
I heard a lot of people (probably exaggerating) talking about moving out of modern and into legacy, since they don't feel like they can trust modern as a legit "non rotating" format. I doubt anyone sells out of modern but a couple people did actually start buying into legacy that I know because of the banning.
Any of you having similar thoughts? We discuss this with Alex from Masters of Modern on the next episode of our podcast.
Quote from: Ieatfood7 on January 24, 2016, 11:55:13 PM
I heard a lot of people (probably exaggerating) talking about moving out of modern and into legacy, since they don't feel like they can trust modern as a legit "non rotating" format. I doubt anyone sells out of modern but a couple people did actually start buying into legacy that I know because of the banning.
Any of you having similar thoughts? We discuss this with Alex from Masters of Modern on the next episode of our podcast.
I think both are secure investments, honestly my modern cards have gained more value compared to legacy, but legacy has remained consistently high. I saw lots of extreme emotional reactions from people who were unhappy with the bannings... And sure it sucks to have your deck banned but I wouldn't say it matters from a financial standpoint. Splinter Twin may be worthless but all the other staples of the deck haven't lost value.
I think the idea of card "security" and "investment" are pretty foolish when applied to MtG, I don't play this expensive game because it makes me money I'm playing to have fun, I'm too attached to some decks to bother selling them. I haven't lost confidence in modern, but Ive accepted Wizards will interfere with it at times. For better or worse I'm still having fun.
I have thought if enough aren't satisfied with Modern and move into legacy what that would do to legacy staples (given limited supply/reserve list cards). Especially when combined with all these price spikes we've seen. I know in the past eople sold off cards that gained value to buy into legacy. I'm OK with either. :D
Nice thing about legacy, usually doesn't drop too heavy in price
Also now some strange rumor called eternal masters is started
Force of will was never put on reserved list....
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 25, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Nice thing about legacy, usually doesn't drop too heavy in price
Also now some strange rumor called eternal masters is started
Force of will was never put on reserved list....
Because Force was an uncommon. Uncommons were never put on the Reserve List.
Link to speculation: http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2016/01/did-mtg-traders-have-inside-knowledge-of-the-splinter-twin-ban-and-a-eternal-masters-set/
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 25, 2016, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 25, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Nice thing about legacy, usually doesn't drop too heavy in price
Also now some strange rumor called eternal masters is started
Force of will was never put on reserved list....
Because Force was an uncommon. Uncommons were removed from the Reserved List in 2002, however, Force was never on the list.
Link to speculation: http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2016/01/did-mtg-traders-have-inside-knowledge-of-the-splinter-twin-ban-and-a-eternal-masters-set/
Interesting read.
Yeah. I would love it. They could also print worse versions, but still playable, of reserve list cards.
Dual lands that are legendary
Moxen that are painful somehow
They would make all the money
Quote from: Ieatfood7 on January 25, 2016, 11:20:19 AM
Yeah. I would love it. They could also print worse versions, but still playable, of reserve list cards.
Dual lands that are legendary
Moxen that are painful somehow
They would make all the money
Legendary Dual lands have already been ruled out a long time ago by MaRo. I don't have a link for that currently.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 25, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Ieatfood7 on January 25, 2016, 11:20:19 AM
Yeah. I would love it. They could also print worse versions, but still playable, of reserve list cards.
Dual lands that are legendary
Moxen that are painful somehow
They would make all the money
Legendary Dual lands have already been ruled out a long time ago by MaRo. I don't have a link for that currently.
Last time they tried to make playable worse versions of a P9 card didn't end too well. ({treasure cruise} ended up very banned)
{Ruby Medallion} and those are what I think of for worse version
Quote from: Rass on January 25, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
{Ruby Medallion} and those are what I think of for worse version
lol
Quote from: Kaylesh on January 25, 2016, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 25, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Ieatfood7 on January 25, 2016, 11:20:19 AM
Yeah. I would love it. They could also print worse versions, but still playable, of reserve list cards.
Dual lands that are legendary
Moxen that are painful somehow
They would make all the money
Legendary Dual lands have already been ruled out a long time ago by MaRo. I don't have a link for that currently.
Last time they tried to make playable worse versions of a P9 card didn't end too well. ({treasure cruise} ended up very banned)
To be fair, that wasn't the last time they tried. They gave us {Days' Undoing} in Origins. People tried to break it, but it turns out that draw sevens that guarantee that your opponent get to use their cards first without some serious hoop-jumping are quite bad.
Notion thief or mill :)
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 25, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
Notion thief or mill :)
I don't see how mill does anything considering it shuffles graveyards in.
I'm trying to find something for it with Leyline of the void :)
No gy to reshuffle :)
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 25, 2016, 05:27:20 PM
I'm trying to find something for it with Leyline of the void :)
No gy to reshuffle :)
Well, at that point, you can just run {Helm of Obedience} and be done with it.
But it's not modern legal?