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Title: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Taysby on October 31, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
Speculate away.

http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/index.html
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on October 31, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPaOzHVTRt2Oe_V0q1DkQUlPfj2U3LEzFhaJZ3DB-eCC9JnRSbcIN4LPqrng)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Boomer17 on October 31, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Megacaster Mage
1U

Megaflash 2U (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant. If you do, it comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it)

When ~ enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flash back until end of turn. It's flash back cost is equal to its mana cost plus 1. If you cast that spell this way, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
2/1
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 01, 2015, 01:07:26 AM
Omg shadow over innistrad ... Like the eldrazi over it ... That's insane!! I hope no pray that you are right!!! Lol
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Swamplord99 on November 01, 2015, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 01, 2015, 01:07:26 AM
Omg shadow over innistrad ... Like the eldrazi over it ... That's insane!! I hope no pray that you are right!!! Lol
Or phyrexia has invaded innastrad. I just hope they reprint {intangible virtue} for token value
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 01, 2015, 03:48:27 AM
Tibalt is gonna save the day in set 2. Calling it.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Distriimuir on November 01, 2015, 11:44:06 AM
So reminiscent of shadows over innsmouth, hope to see our eldrazi Titans move on to destroy a new plane!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 01, 2015, 03:02:08 PM
Eldrazi would ruin the flavor of innistrad. They just did eldrazi, phyrexians are far fetched to. They will probably base it on heavy story line.

Avacyn has probably tainted or died
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on November 01, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
Wish we went back to shadowmoor/lorwyn
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on November 01, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 01, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
Wish we went back to shadowmoor/lorwyn

True. But too many goth/emo's
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Ace on November 01, 2015, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on November 01, 2015, 03:02:08 PM
Eldrazi would ruin the flavor of innistrad. They just did eldrazi, phyrexians are far fetched to. They will probably base it on heavy story line.

Avacyn has probably tainted or died

I agree. In the video the way the feather turned to blood and the tone of the music my oppinion is that she got tainted by liliana, just like she did with Garruk and as such is now bad, or maybe even a demon now.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on November 01, 2015, 10:13:19 PM
Innistrad is Gothic Horror, Eldrazi were essentially Chthulu, ie SciFi. So Eldrazi would ruin, murder, DESTROY the flavour of INN. No thanks.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on November 02, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
So looking forward to this, innistrad was the first block to release after I started playing, I kind of like to think of it as my home plane
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 02, 2015, 06:40:42 AM
I kinda love wolves, so happy for more tribal wolves/lycanthropes.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 02, 2015, 09:48:23 AM
Also idk a link but my local lvl 3 judge said that there going to be a legendary werewolf bc they promised if they went back they'd make one
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 02, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on November 02, 2015, 10:41:54 AM
Maybe we can take another break from Jace and get a new version or reprint of {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}. I love muh blue and muh Jaces, but I still think they overuse him, whether he is the "face of MtG" or not.

Ya I love tamiyo! But do we know what happened to her I know she went to innistrad to study the moon cycles (boring!!) but is she back on kamigawa now?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 02, 2015, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 02, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
No.. no more jace. I hate him, it's ridiculous. All we ever see is Jace... jace jace jace. That will be jace planes walker 8 or 9...
The Origin walkers where gonna be poster boys I thought. However, I could do without Jace too for a few sets.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 02, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
And I mean here you thought they released avacyn and she healed all the wolves etc and for once it seemed like a plane got a happy ending

And I mean lily took care of griselbrand so like

He was supposed to be the most powerful demon there.. How in the world did avacyn and her horde of angels get so taken aback!

Oh that's right

I bet you guys forgot that
{stitcher Geralf} and his sister {ghoulcaller Gisa} are still running amuck
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imFourth of Phils on November 02, 2015, 06:18:08 PM
aristocrats, wow
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on November 02, 2015, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 02, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
No.. no more jace. I hate him, it's ridiculous. All we ever see is Jace... jace jace jace. That will be jace planes walker 8 or 9...

So much this, anyone but jace, definitely need more sorin though
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on November 02, 2015, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 02, 2015, 08:40:18 PM
Jace will be in this set. Image released of him sporting a new wardrobe. Probably tainted. Most likely UB

Wow. Didn't think jace's taint would come up.

😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on November 02, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
I remember somebody on here saying Jace won't go bad. Ashiok was originally evil jace but they changed their minds.

Odds are there are Eldrazi of Jace is interested. Sorin is kinda full ham about defending Innistrad so he'd better be there.

Besides all that, everytime they print a Jace I cry a little inside. I like him as a character, but I want more power for superfriends.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Ill be honest and when I saw this was the next set the first thing I said was "I just want reprints of  {Snapcaster Mage}"
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 03, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Ill be honest and when I saw this was the next set the first thing I said was "I just want reprints of  {Snapcaster Mage}"

As nice as that would be it's almost impossible he's just way too good for standard and I think that they've realized that :(

If anything Lili of the veil but she's also likely too good for standard as well maybe a new Lili appears
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Codester1991 on November 03, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 03, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Ill be honest and when I saw this was the next set the first thing I said was "I just want reprints of  {Snapcaster Mage}"

As nice as that would be it's almost impossible he's just way too good for standard and I think that they've realized that :(

If anything Lili of the veil but she's also likely too good for standard as well maybe a new Lili appears

Not to mention Snap just got his reprint as the regional ptq prize
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 03, 2015, 12:31:49 PM
Well BFZ is wotc exploiting the fact that pool will buy anything if there's a hope for an expedition ... The set is terrible but wotc knew that so to sell it they added expeditions in it!!

End rant. Lol but ya I do agree with you they won't reprint Lili and snap
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Falcon182 on November 03, 2015, 12:38:42 PM
I don't think lotv is too good for standard... Depending on the standard of course but she's not absurd, depending on the rest of the cards available.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 03, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 03, 2015, 12:31:49 PM
Well BFZ is wotc exploiting the fact that pool will buy anything if there's a hope for an expedition ... The set is terrible but wotc knew that so to sell it they added expeditions in it!!

End rant. Lol but ya I do agree with you they won't reprint Lili and snap
It makes sense BFZ seems bad. I've heard Wizards wanted to slow down standard, so in transition you'll have a worse set in. To make it somewhat playable in current standard the tango's where included as fetchable duals. My theory anyways.
With SOI, KTK & FRF and thus fetches will rotate out. Expect slower standard right there. Cheaper standard too, for that matter.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on November 03, 2015, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 03, 2015, 12:39:56 PM
Haha it is true, BFZ is a fun to draft set and is cool thematically but card pool wise it's a poop. Hopefully Innistrad 2 will have a focus on drafting because that was literally the best part about it

Bfz hasn't been fun to draft imo.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on November 03, 2015, 01:14:54 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 03, 2015, 12:38:42 PM
I don't think lotv is too good for standard... Depending on the standard of course but she's not absurd, depending on the rest of the cards available.

In this standard currently there's {Utter End} and {Ruinous Path} to deal with her so they'd need a few more ways to et rid of a 3 mana Walker. At least in Theros we had banishing light downfall and lightning strike to contain them. But currently Lili would be op in this standard.

They were going to reprint lotv for M15 but bc mono black devotion was too strong they couldn't reprint her. I feel like she would be too strong for std
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on November 03, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Makes sense to include snap and lily


Gotta sell boxes Like hot cakes
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 03, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 03, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Makes sense to include snap and lily


Gotta sell boxes Like hot cakes
Make them available as foil only mythic rares.
Pretty much like the expeditions.
It worked once....
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on November 03, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on November 03, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 03, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Makes sense to include snap and lily


Gotta sell boxes Like hot cakes
Make them available as foil only mythic rares.
Pretty much like the expeditions.
It worked once....

Lilliana, JtMS, {Tarmogoyf}, Snappy and Tibalt full art mythic rare foils.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on November 03, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 03, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Makes sense to include snap and lily


Gotta sell boxes Like hot cakes
Make them available as foil only mythic rares.
Pretty much like the expeditions.
It worked once....

It worked once and it would go even faster if they were lily and snap 😮. Knowing how wizards loves their cycles there's a good chance they would make a white green and red one too
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
Also did wizards talk about the land cycle for this set?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Prplprince on November 03, 2015, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 03, 2015, 04:33:18 PM
Not yet, I really hope they bring back the {Tainted Peak} type of cards... I'd love to see a cycle of one's like "Blessed Peak" which is dependant about you controlling a plains or something. It'd be sweet having them

It would be interesting and they would be amazing in standard with the tango lands right now
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on November 05, 2015, 10:13:12 PM
https://m.facebook.com/magichaven/photos/a.916566308362080.1073741828.916563408362370/1075605315791511/?type=3&source=48

Check this out from MaRo's blogatog. Woot!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Prplprince on November 06, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on November 05, 2015, 10:13:12 PM
https://m.facebook.com/magichaven/photos/a.916566308362080.1073741828.916563408362370/1075605315791511/?type=3&source=48

Check this out from MaRo's blogatog. Woot!

Interesting
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 06, 2015, 05:30:52 PM
I think they are trying to turn the new block structure In a way so the storytelling can be more comprehensive
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 07, 2015, 04:18:06 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on November 06, 2015, 05:30:52 PM
I think they are trying to turn the new block structure In a way so the storytelling can be more comprehensive
That was one of the goals, as I understood.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on November 07, 2015, 04:32:04 AM
That's glorious. The lore and the flavour has often been the deciding factor for my favouritism of sets over the limited meta. Tempest, Original Ravnica, Scars of Mirrodin and Innistrad are definitely my faves for that reason.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 07, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
Like instead of printing a plane and telling a story, the story is going to force the plainswalkers to act
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on November 08, 2015, 01:40:50 AM
I find it kinda funny that this set is being talked about more than oath of the gatewatch
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 08, 2015, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: MarduArrow on November 08, 2015, 01:40:50 AM
I find it kinda funny that this set is being talked about more than oath of the gatewatch
Currently there is more news on SOI then on OGW. Spoilers of OGW only start in January.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on November 08, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
I like the idea of "blessed lands"
Bring back madness! I love madness in torment!!
And Wolfir... Need more Wolfir...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Estel2931 on November 08, 2015, 12:46:06 PM
Anyone else feel as if we might see a return of {Nicol Bolas}?..maybe...just maybe?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 08, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
Dual lands with
"Miracle"
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Ace on November 08, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on November 08, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
Dual lands with
"Miracle"

How would that even work?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Boomer17 on November 08, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Filter lands!!!! That's what I'd like to see
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on November 08, 2015, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 08, 2015, 06:38:19 PM
If it's the first card you draw, put it into play and it doesn't count as your land for the turn.

This
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Ace on November 09, 2015, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 08, 2015, 06:38:19 PM
If it's the first card you draw, put it into play and it doesn't count as your land for the turn.

That seems like it would be really broken.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: mickeven on November 09, 2015, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Ace on November 09, 2015, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 08, 2015, 06:38:19 PM
If it's the first card you draw, put it into play and it doesn't count as your land for the turn.

That seems like it would be really broken.

if its the first card you draw it enters untapped, otherwise it enters tapped.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: blackychan1 on November 10, 2015, 02:53:28 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 03, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Lilliana, JtMS, {Tarmogoyf}, Snappy and Tibalt full art mythic rare foils.
One of these things is not like the others...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mabb78 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on November 10, 2015, 02:53:28 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 03, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Lilliana, JtMS, {Tarmogoyf}, Snappy and Tibalt full art mythic rare foils.
One of these things is not like the others...

At first I was like "is it tarm because of the brackets" then I looked again and the gears turned some more.......... Tibalt! LOL
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 10, 2015, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: Mabb78 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on November 10, 2015, 02:53:28 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 03, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Lilliana, JtMS, {Tarmogoyf}, Snappy and Tibalt full art mythic rare foils.
One of these things is not like the others...

At first I was like "is it tarm because of the brackets" then I looked again and the gears turned some more.......... Tibalt! LOL
Every cycle needs it's junk.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: General Kiwi on November 10, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 10, 2015, 12:08:18 PM
Alex Glowacki
*adress deleted*

I'll send our after I get everything all found and looking nice
Lol wat!! Never heard of this card. New spoiler
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Codester1991 on November 12, 2015, 05:56:56 PM
Tibalt is the {comet storm} of mythics.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on November 12, 2015, 06:23:43 PM
Well since most likely no snap or lili reprint (sorry too powerful for standard)

What if tibalt is actually goodb
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on November 14, 2015, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 14, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 12, 2015, 06:23:43 PM
Well since most likely no snap or lili reprint (sorry too powerful for standard)

What if tibalt is actually goodb

I jokingly made a Tibalt I would love.
1RR cost
+1 loot
-2 roast
-7 Armageddon all their lands

Starts at 3

I call it Tibalt of the veil
-7 destroy all opponents lands has been used before, on  {Ajani Vengeant}. So, that one isn't likely. I do expect they make good on Tibalt, since even with the 7 reasons for bad cards, I think wizards needs to amend to the character of Tibby with something actually worthwhile.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on November 20, 2015, 04:32:18 AM
Added Mythicspoiler.com/soi to first page.

N.B. Only the teaser vid is up at the moment.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on January 28, 2016, 12:29:39 PM
Buddy sent me this text.

"There is a rumor that innistrad will have something similar to the expeditions called echoes of innistrad that will be powerful cards from the first innistrad block"

Full art snappy?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on January 28, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
Supposedly a while back right before they printed those sdcc black cards. The lgs I went to was saying they were gonna print cards like that as a super mythic.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on January 28, 2016, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 28, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: Rass on January 28, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
Supposedly a while back right before they printed those sdcc black cards. The lgs I went to was saying they were gonna print cards like that as a super mythic.


Great, so now wizards wants to water down the secondary market value of everything via super chase cards. Now they found a way to not worry about secondary market values...Instead of lamenting how people pay more in secondary market instead of buying more product wizards made it so that people will buy more product for the super chase and the value of rares and mythics will plummet to dirt :(

That was the rumor. Someone might have made it up when they seen the black on black sdcc walkers. Called them ultra rare.

If they make chase cards a thing I'm going to only by singles. I have a sour taste right now with bfz and oath.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on January 28, 2016, 02:55:58 PM
If they kill the secondary market a lot of lgs will suffer, small ones will drop out while big ones snatch up their cheap inventory


Boxes have definitely lost value

You're probably best off not buying them anymore
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on January 28, 2016, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 28, 2016, 02:55:58 PM
If they kill the secondary market a lot of lgs will suffer, small ones will drop out while big ones snatch up their cheap inventory


Boxes have definitely lost value

You're probably best off not buying them anymore

Yep. Lost value but went up in price.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on January 28, 2016, 04:10:47 PM
Think I may buy a box of Fallen Empires!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on January 28, 2016, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 28, 2016, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on January 28, 2016, 03:55:34 PM
Magic is probably more fun if you're not worried how much money you're making off of value cards.
that's what's best to keep in mind

I agree that's why I buy boxes. So I can draft and sealed with friends. Maybe I'm hitting my seven year itch. It seems sets after rtr have been boring. Also now going back to emo land is meh. It was fun the first time but I would rather something new or older (lorwyn or ice age ).
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on January 28, 2016, 05:54:28 PM
lorwyn would be too good for standard
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on January 28, 2016, 06:31:27 PM
So it's a consensus that we all want to go back to Dominaria?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on January 28, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 28, 2016, 06:30:12 PM
Tempest, please please please please PLEASE

I was just going for modern stuff.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on January 28, 2016, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 28, 2016, 06:31:27 PM
So it's a consensus that we all want to go back to Dominaria?
all the way back to the ice age!❄️
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Heats Flamesman on January 30, 2016, 09:38:04 PM
I haven't played the game for so many months why am I still here

This looks cool though
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on February 06, 2016, 12:23:23 PM
I see we are getting flip cards again
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Distriimuir on February 06, 2016, 12:26:53 PM
Fifteen cards leaked. Wotc is going to be pissed again. Lol. Looking at some of the flavor text, nahiri sounds like she's red white now and pissed at sorin in this set.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on February 06, 2016, 11:13:37 PM
Also looking at checklist card.  No flip walkers
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on February 06, 2016, 11:32:42 PM
I don't care if it sucks, I will be playing a clue deck. 👍🏻
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on February 06, 2016, 11:48:43 PM
I'll have to investigate...

...yes, it is raging.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on February 07, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
Madness! 👍🏼
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on February 07, 2016, 04:21:52 PM
I predict a Tibalt sighting...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 07, 2016, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on February 07, 2016, 04:21:52 PM
I predict a Tibalt sighting...

Didn't Sorin kill him?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imFourth of Phils on February 08, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on February 07, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
So...regarding Delirium (4 or more card types in GY), are there any flavor reasons why we couldn't see a {Tarmogoyf} reprint in this set? Like, is there somewhere that says there are no Lhurgoyfs on Innistrad? I know it's super implausible, but it meshes well with the synergies in the set and with basically all of modern spiking it'd be nice to be thrown a bone once in a while you know? Or do we NOT want that because either 1) it will make SOI boxes super expensive, 2) it will cause too much SOI to be opened, depressing the value of the other cards in the set or 3) it will cause 'Goyf to tank, making everyone who spent hundreds picking up a set super unhappy?

It's definitely not OP in standard, so I don't think that's a concern, especially with the abundance of two-mana removal that hits it and token strategies that don't care how big a creature is if it doesn't have trample. Would definitely shake some stuff up though.

in our local fb group, someone had a speculation about this, and everyone is praying for reprint
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on February 08, 2016, 08:24:33 AM
As much as ppl say it won't be too OP in standard remember that there are still fetches and hand disruption in standard without a lot of GY hate.

Going T1 duress/despise take something
T2 fetch Goyf makes a T2 3/4 in standard that can't be fiery impulsed and that by no stretch is a god hand that would be very common and for that reason Goyf will likely never see the light of standard play
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on February 08, 2016, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on February 08, 2016, 08:24:33 AM
As much as ppl say it won't be too OP in standard remember that there are still fetches and hand disruption in standard without a lot of GY hate.

Going T1 duress/despise take something
T2 fetch Goyf makes a T2 3/4 in standard that can't be fiery impulsed and that by no stretch is a god hand that would be very common and for that reason Goyf will likely never see the light of standard play

I thought fetches rotate out at shadows. But I don't see a goof reprint. He's the staple of modern masters. That's the next reprint of him.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on February 08, 2016, 11:21:23 AM
Oh no I could be wrong. I'm not sure about the new standard rotation lol my bad but still though even T1 duress/despise take a non sorcery t2 Goyf and it can't be impulsed
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on February 08, 2016, 03:26:32 PM
When shadows comes in, khans and fate rotate out.   No more fetches.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on February 09, 2016, 04:45:26 PM
More cards spoiled.  Rumor has it, a booster box was stolen from factory.

Official spoilers should start March.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Distriimuir on February 09, 2016, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on February 09, 2016, 04:45:26 PM
More cards spoiled.  Rumor has it, a booster box was stolen from factory.

Official spoilers should start March.

Rumor sounds like bs, why haven't they shown the rares or mythics if they stole a box? Seems more like the small group of people that get glimpses of the set early took some pictures they weren't supposed to, like last time and the time before. Lol
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on February 10, 2016, 11:22:59 AM
Now that I think about it, since we are returning to a plane of ghost, ghoulies, demons, things that go bump in the night, and Emrakul hanging overhead (?), it would be the perfect set to reprint  {Damnation}... Or something akin to  {Hellfire}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on February 10, 2016, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on February 10, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
I think if they reprinted damnation then everyone would freak out pretty hardcore
Maybe Emrakul will have Madness:2BB: Exile all creatures
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on February 10, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on February 10, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
I think if they reprinted damnation then everyone would freak out pretty hardcore
That sure would be a terrible feeling, dropping an {Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger} or {Kozilek, the Great Distortion} just have someone {Damnation} your whole board.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on February 10, 2016, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Thefluffymacheen on February 10, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on February 10, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
I think if they reprinted damnation then everyone would freak out pretty hardcore
That sure would be a terrible feeling, dropping an {Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger} or {Kozilek, the Great Distortion} just have someone {Damnation} your whole board.
Ulamog laughs at Damnation
Kozilek, as long as you have a card with CC of 4 in your hand, laughs at Damnation also
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on February 10, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
Um - 3 cmc dig 5, keep 2 instant/sorc

Seems really good
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on February 10, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on February 10, 2016, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Thefluffymacheen on February 10, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on February 10, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
I think if they reprinted damnation then everyone would freak out pretty hardcore
That sure would be a terrible feeling, dropping an {Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger} or {Kozilek, the Great Distortion} just have someone {Damnation} your whole board.
Ulamog laughs at Damnation
Kozilek, as long as you have a card with CC of 4 in your hand, laughs at Damnation also
I'm sooooo good at reading. I guess I meant a mass exile card for against eldrazi
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on February 10, 2016, 03:33:56 PM
Even then you draw X with Cozi and exile 2 problematic permanents with ula
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Sto5rm on February 17, 2016, 01:30:15 AM
{Expose Evil} Kinda wants to make me play a U/W deck and call it Blues Clues
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on February 17, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
Anyone know why some of the most recently spoiled cards have a different set symbol.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on February 17, 2016, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: redwolv on February 17, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
Anyone know why some of the most recently spoiled cards have a different set symbol.
It's the duel deck symbol.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on February 26, 2016, 09:00:08 AM
The most plausible theory I've seen is that Avacyn has decided that the only way to keep Innistrad safe is to be a complete dictator and control everything, causing the Angels to essentially be the antagonists.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on February 26, 2016, 10:35:00 AM
I hope we get to see sorin again. I love that guy.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
New planeswalker announced.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/arlinn-kord
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
New planeswalker announced.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/arlinn-kord
Oooo i wonder how she will work? Will she come into play as a human and flip back and for like normal werewolves? Or will she flip when she uses some ability? One form adding loyalty the other lossing it? Or will she be another gideon/sarken and have an ability that makes her into a */* werewolf for a time? Oooh the possibilties
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2016, 04:29:23 PM
Nice like  {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}

😝😝😝
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
But here is the question.   Leaked checklist card doesn't have a named individual on it.  There are 24 cards listed on checklist.  But card number says ck1. 
Innistrad only had 20 flip cards on 1 checklist. 

Would they print more than 1 checklist?  It would screw up drafts if you didn't open a checklist card for your cards on it. 

Maybe she has 2 cards in set.  One as a legendary creature (human).  And a pw card in werewolf form. 
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 02, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
New planeswalker announced.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/arlinn-kord
Oooo i wonder how she will work? Will she come into play as a human and flip back and for like normal werewolves? Or will she flip when she uses some ability? One form adding loyalty the other lossing it? Or will she be another gideon/sarken and have an ability that makes her into a */* werewolf for a time? Oooh the possibilties

The article reads like she may only have the walker abilities in werewolf form, so she could function like a flip walker does
But that is my whole point, how will it work? I think it is safe to say that she will not start as a creature like the origin flip walkers. Will she have a flip mechanic? The two pictures on the articles gallery hints yes. But how will it work? Will she will it be a static trigger that flips her like current werewolves or an activated loyality ability?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 02, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
New planeswalker announced.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/arlinn-kord
Oooo i wonder how she will work? Will she come into play as a human and flip back and for like normal werewolves? Or will she flip when she uses some ability? One form adding loyalty the other lossing it? Or will she be another gideon/sarken and have an ability that makes her into a */* werewolf for a time? Oooh the possibilties

The article reads like she may only have the walker abilities in werewolf form, so she could function like a flip walker does
But that is my whole point, how will it work? I think it is safe to say that she will not start as a creature like the origin flip walkers. Will she have a flip mechanic? The two pictures on the articles gallery hints yes. But how will it work? Will she will it be a static trigger that flips her like current werewolves or an activated loyality ability?

Read my last post


This site has checklist card image

http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?p=412410&sid=9162f5026181b5a322bd579265bee67e
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 02, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 02, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
New planeswalker announced.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/arlinn-kord
Oooo i wonder how she will work? Will she come into play as a human and flip back and for like normal werewolves? Or will she flip when she uses some ability? One form adding loyalty the other lossing it? Or will she be another gideon/sarken and have an ability that makes her into a */* werewolf for a time? Oooh the possibilties

The article reads like she may only have the walker abilities in werewolf form, so she could function like a flip walker does
But that is my whole point, how will it work? I think it is safe to say that she will not start as a creature like the origin flip walkers. Will she have a flip mechanic? The two pictures on the articles gallery hints yes. But how will it work? Will she will it be a static trigger that flips her like current werewolves or an activated loyality ability?

Read my last post


This site has checklist card image

http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?p=412410&sid=9162f5026181b5a322bd579265bee67e
Sorry when i first started writing my last post yours had not been posted yet so I had not seen it. >.<
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 02, 2016, 05:00:32 PM
They also do many cards to represent the happenings in Lore, Wolf art could be a sourcery of her first transformation in the church. Like Surrak's bear fight.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: ELLERfeller on March 02, 2016, 05:14:09 PM
It could be like how they did  {Garruk Relentless}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: ELLERfeller on March 02, 2016, 05:14:09 PM
It could be like how they did  {Garruk Relentless}

True, but he had name on checklist.  This pw doesn't
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 02, 2016, 06:16:57 PM
Nobody taking about how Avacyn is the baddy in this one?

It says she has the ability to change at will back and forth with relative ease. That sounds nothing like our current brand of werewolves. I'm think an activated ability on both sides of the card. Sorcery speed for both probably.

She could easily be something like {Convicted Killer} on one side. Plenty of generic enough names in R and G to fit.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 02, 2016, 06:48:02 PM
Arlinn may just appear in Eldritch Moon.  We're very likely getting a new Jace and Nahiri in SOI, having her card wait a set is not unlikely.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 02, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
Jace, Sorin, Nahiri, Arlinn. Maybe Tamiyo somewhere but highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 02, 2016, 07:30:52 PM
Maybe a flip card like the kammy block.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 02, 2016, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 02, 2016, 07:30:52 PM
Maybe a flip card like the kammy block.
Too much text to put on one side of card to flip like that.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 03, 2016, 11:07:47 AM
So what's the countdown for?  It ends in under 8 hours....


http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/shadows-over-innistrad
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 03, 2016, 11:41:48 AM
The face behind Jace reminds me hardcore of Oona. I would be so pleased if it turned out to be Fae hijinks causing the moon to phases like the shift between Lowryn / Shadowmoor. And causing the crazy people. Just gonna go ahead and make my own story. Oona - Planeswslking Fae/Demon.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 03, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 03, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 03, 2016, 11:07:47 AM
So what's the countdown for?  It ends in under 8 hours....


http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/shadows-over-innistrad

perhaps they start spoiling cards themselves so no one else does?
or maybe more stories due to lore density in this set?

Yeah. I'm thinking they release the video for the set or we find out the story of shadows.   The only thing we really know was the falling feather and avacyn symbol warping.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 03, 2016, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 03, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 03, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 03, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on March 03, 2016, 11:07:47 AM
So what's the countdown for?  It ends in under 8 hours....


http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/shadows-over-innistrad

perhaps they start spoiling cards themselves so no one else does?
or maybe more stories due to lore density in this set?

Yeah. I'm thinking they release the video for the set or we find out the story of shadows.   The only thing we really know was the falling feather and avacyn symbol warping.

We also know that the humans are killing the Angels, that not all the werewolves were "fixed", that demonic possession is becoming more common, that many of the lesser wards to keep evil at bay are failing, and that the werewolves believe something truly evil and powerful is coming and that must gather in number to defend innistraad against it.
It's Emrakul!!! Come to complete the Gothic horror!!!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Aladormax on March 03, 2016, 07:26:44 PM
Lab is open
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 03, 2016, 07:51:49 PM
/yawn
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Aladormax on March 03, 2016, 08:04:43 PM
4 slots for 4 cards?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Indianslayer on March 03, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
{Laboratory Maniac} reprint?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 03, 2016, 11:10:46 PM
Geralf is a sticher
{sticher geralf}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 04, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
Manor is open now as well, with a Vampire Madness card reveal.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 04, 2016, 08:33:44 AM
Geralf's Masterpiece
3UU
Creature - Zombie Horror

Flying
~ gets -1/-1 for each card in your hand.
3U, Discard three cards: Return ~ from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.

7/7

The card we wanted {Skaab Ruinator} to be?  A resilient, huge threat?  Especially combined with {Life from the Loam}?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 04, 2016, 12:06:12 PM
I disagree. So you can't use it with a haste enabler or as a suprise defender. You can still bring it back on your opponents eot. I don't think it coming back tapped will make it unplayable.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 04, 2016, 12:35:07 PM
Relentless Dead has an art reference to {Endless Ranks Of The Dead}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 04, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 04, 2016, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 04, 2016, 12:35:07 PM
Relentless Dead has an art reference to {Endless Ranks Of The Dead}

anyone else getting the feeling that you can pay both abilities on this guy to dig and return?
he dies, you pay total of {B}{2} to get him back to your hand and another back into play?
I mean they are both optional costs so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do both. I don't know about you guys but I very much look forward to having him in a green black deck.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: griffin131 on March 04, 2016, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 04, 2016, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 04, 2016, 12:35:07 PM
Relentless Dead has an art reference to {Endless Ranks Of The Dead}

anyone else getting the feeling that you can pay both abilities on this guy to dig and return?
he dies, you pay total of {B}{2} to get him back to your hand and another back into play?
Yes, you can do that.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 04, 2016, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 04, 2016, 10:59:43 AM
I really like it. I it's really cool. But it returns tapped!  Why wizards?!  It was almost a perfect mythic. Cool ability, good stats, but not broken. Returns tapped will cause it to not see play.
It's a flying {Nyxathid}! Nyx is better though. Sorry guys.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 05, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
Delver returns again to complete himself, and Nahiri has a beef with Sorin
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Skullguy725 on March 05, 2016, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 04, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
{Endless ranks of the dead} is the before-art to the new mythic, Relentless Dead. Super flavor

Lol one of the zombies finally found a way into the church
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on March 05, 2016, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 05, 2016, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 04, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
{Endless ranks of the dead} is the before-art to the new mythic, Relentless Dead. Super flavor
Took an endless amount of time

Lol one of the zombies finally found a way into the church
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 05, 2016, 07:30:15 PM
Interesting on a wizards post saying "notice anything different about tamyio's journal?  Maybe you need to collect more clues at soi prerelease events"

So maybe tamyio pw card in moon
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 05, 2016, 07:44:24 PM
Declaration in stone, I'm so hypeddddddd
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Aladormax on March 05, 2016, 08:23:07 PM
Calling it. Tamiyo pw as she is a MOONFOLK from kamigawa and was studying the MOON of innistraad a plane with mystical gothic horror feels. Also feel a jace pw but that seems likely only if the investigation is over where tamiyo is.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 05, 2016, 08:39:41 PM
Avacyn flip card!!  Means 2 checklist cards


And that also means flip walker.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 05, 2016, 10:50:00 PM
Maybe tibalt is the antagonist and he made everyone go crazy ('madness)
Avacyn flipping red

Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: mickeven on March 05, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
from the cards flip ability it looks like Avacyn gets angry by the death of her protected people, and devides to "purify" the plane from the being doing the killing
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: griffin131 on March 06, 2016, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 06, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
Thraben Sentry flips regardless of what side it is. I'm 95% sure that if you have white avacyn, two creatures die.. within 2 turns you get to have white Avacyn back. She flips once a turn.
Nope. When a creature dies with white Avacyn out, a delayed trigger is created. For every death.

One trigger means she flips to red. Two triggers flips her back to white.

11 death triggers leaves her on the red side after flipping 5 times.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 06, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on March 06, 2016, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 06, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
Thraben Sentry flips regardless of what side it is. I'm 95% sure that if you have white avacyn, two creatures die.. within 2 turns you get to have white Avacyn back. She flips once a turn.
Nope. When a creature dies with white Avacyn out, a delayed trigger is created. For every death.

One trigger means she flips to red. Two triggers flips her back to white.

11 death triggers leaves her on the red side after flipping 5 times.
Looks like an awesome thing to do in commander. Boros tokens, {Chandra's ignition} and sweepers. Get a bunch of flips out of it, with some other "dies" triggers, wipe the rest of the board, finish off with a bad-ass flier.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 06, 2016, 02:48:08 PM
Avacyn, Sorin, Jace, Taymio


Sorin putting her in her place

(http://i66.tinypic.com/123y80i.png)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 06, 2016, 03:37:35 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 06, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
Thraben Sentry flips regardless of what side it is. I'm 95% sure that if you have white avacyn, two creatures die.. within 2 turns you get to have white Avacyn back. She flips once a turn.

Thraben doesn't flip regardless of what side it's on.   Say it triggers 3 times.  It would end up on milita if you chose to resolve it there.   If later in turn or next turn more creatures die, there is no card up called sentry,  just milita and milita doesn't have that ability to flip.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 06, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Sooo... Get new acacyn + 13 creatures on the field + give just acacyn indestuctable+ board wipe= she flips 7 times and does 21 to each enemies face?

Or get 27 creatures and do 42 damage? For edh games?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 06, 2016, 05:15:55 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 06, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Sooo... Get new acacyn + 13 creatures on the field + give just acacyn indestuctable+ board wipe= she flips 7 times and does 21 to each enemies face?

Or get 27 creatures and do 42 damage? For edh games?
1 word... Krenko...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 06, 2016, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 06, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Sooo... Get new acacyn + 13 creatures on the field + give just acacyn indestuctable+ board wipe= she flips 7 times and does 21 to each enemies face?

Or get 27 creatures and do 42 damage? For edh games?
I'm not a fan of the lack of a may clause here.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 07, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 06, 2016, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 06, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Sooo... Get new acacyn + 13 creatures on the field + give just acacyn indestuctable+ board wipe= she flips 7 times and does 21 to each enemies face?

Or get 27 creatures and do 42 damage? For edh games?
I'm not a fan of the lack of a may clause here.

Why not?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 07, 2016, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 07, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 06, 2016, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 06, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Sooo... Get new acacyn + 13 creatures on the field + give just acacyn indestuctable+ board wipe= she flips 7 times and does 21 to each enemies face?

Or get 27 creatures and do 42 damage? For edh games?
I'm not a fan of the lack of a may clause here.

Why not?
She will flip, regardless if you might not want her to. And your creatures will become indestructible the turn she enters, even if you wouldn't want that for the bomb effect.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 07, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
You can only have those triggers activate on the white side, so she can't get back to the white side without some other effect once she's stopped on red right?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 07, 2016, 12:13:18 PM
New rule change


3. No flippy-floppy

I've saved our most technical change for last. Here's the new rule: if a DFC has an activated or triggered ability that transforms it, that permanent transforms only if it hasn't since that ability was put on the stack. What does that mean? For example, say you activate Elusive Tormentor's ability, then you activate it again in response. Why? Because you want to discard a lot of cards. Why? We're almost there. Relax. The first ability to resolve will cause Elusive Tormentor to transform, as expected. But the second ability won't, as Elusive Tormentor has already transformed because of the first ability.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 07, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
I'm still super confused
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 07, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
Basically once card is transformed. If there were still triggers on stack.  It won't flip back over.  Once it's transformed it stays transformed unless otherwise noted.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 07, 2016, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 07, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 07, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
I'm still super confused

Transform is now being directly labeled as an ability that flips a card from its front side to its backside. this means that a card that has become transformed cannot be transformed again. think like monsterous, it has to be flickered if you want to do it again.
Not entirely. If you activate a transform ability, the permanent will only do so if it hasn't transformed before the ability resolves.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: mickeven on March 07, 2016, 04:17:14 PM
From seeing {Warped Landscape} and {Thraben Inspector} looks like we spend Shadows Investigating and find out on Eldritch Moon that Emrakul is hiding or just chilling in the plane underground. Could be Merit Lage but I think Warping is more related to Eldrazi (shout outs to {Warping Wail}), and Eldritch does share the first four letters with Eldrazi (even tho it just means "weird, sinister, or ghostly"). The flavor text on Warped Landscape says "Each cryptolith twists the plane's mana, bending to a singular purpose." so something is stealing the planes mana for its purpose, and the tentacles seen on both cards do look like Emmy's. AND "there's more to Avacyns madness" in {Tamiyo's Journal}. Maybe The new Emmrakul (if new Emmy) is controlling the mind of Avacyn or warping her thinking (gains control of creatures when it's cast)?

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_U7frO1JeCJ.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/6GDNHXs.png)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 07, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
Here's the lore for Emmy, courtesy of mtgsalvation:

Quote
Emrakul is the Titan of Corruption, the largest and most fearsome of the Eldrazi. She does not affect unliving matter - rocks, water, etc...but twists all things living, be it plants, animals, or sentient beings. She causes silent terror wherever she soars, embodying desolation, emotional and physical distance, the chill of the void, and the terror of being alone.

The Emrakul lineage is characterized by fleshlike lattice structures, uneasy bilateral symmetry, and tentacles that end in knobby, vestigial digits. Looking like spongy, alien baleen, the lattice respires independent of the Eldrazi itself, supporting a host of unseen mite-creatures within. Some within this lineage, including Emrakul itself, float above the ground, using unknown powers to alter the surrounding gravity.

The onset of terror and increased aggression would fit Emmy on Inistrad. However, as Sorin's creation as guardian of the balance, I'm as yet unsure why Avacyn would've affected like she seems to be.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 07, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Nahiri standing in the middle of warped landscape?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 07, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: MarduArrow on March 07, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Nahiri standing in the middle of warped landscape?

I was thinking the same thing. But wanted stone forge. 😈😈
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 07, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
I thought I saw someone ask Mari if Emmy was on innistrad.  He said no
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 07, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
Why exactly is Nahiri pissed at Sorin?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 07, 2016, 10:15:26 PM
But he rez'd Ugin...why didn't he come back with him? And why didn't Nahiri go fight the Eldrazi? And why does she make it sound like her plane was attacked? Where's Nahiri from? So many questions.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 07, 2016, 10:37:58 PM
But Sorin was looking for him...I thought he helped? Or did he think all was lost? Sounds like a miscommunication. I just want this resolved peacefully because two of my favourite Planeswalkers are about to throw down.

{Bitter Revelation} flavour text.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 08, 2016, 01:18:56 AM
Sorin and Arlinn Flip-Walker all but confirmed by LSV

https://twitter.com/lsv/status/707035070847057920
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 08, 2016, 01:31:46 AM
Interesting thought, could Nahiri possibly be the cause of all the weird stuff happening on innistrad? Some sort of cursed stone thing?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 08, 2016, 04:21:52 AM
Idk, but {Thing in the Ice}!!!!!!

Holy cow this card is nuts!!

Edit: I saw a prediction floating around that Ms.Marit Lage might be the entity hanging out on Innistrad. Now that would be sweet!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
What if marit Lage was an eldrazi
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 10:09:09 AM
Yeah seems to fit a bit
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 08, 2016, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
What if marit Lage was an eldrazi

Been some long standing conjecture on that as a tentacled indestructible non-planeswalker entity still capable of walking between the multiverse...
I remember reading somewhere that Lage was confirmed to not be an Eldrazi, but just another very old entity. She's also {B} aligned, and not colorless.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 10:24:48 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 08, 2016, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
What if marit Lage was an eldrazi

Been some long standing conjecture on that as a tentacled indestructible non-planeswalker entity still capable of walking between the multiverse...
I remember reading somewhere that Lage was confirmed to not be an Eldrazi, but just another very old entity. She's also {B} aligned, and not colorless.

Very relevant
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 08, 2016, 11:42:28 AM
So, continuing with the Big/Small block structure with five Planeswalkers per block (three in first set, two in second), here are predictions based on what we know:

Shadows over Innistrad is confirmed to have Sorin and Arlinn.  The third is most likely going to be Jace, as he appears to be the protagonist.

Eldritch Moon will likely be when we see Nahiri appear, probably because Sorin doesn't confront her until then.  Tamiyo is also known to still be on Innistrad from some super dope spoiled artwork, so there's a chance she's the block's last walker, unless they have her as a background character and some other minor character fills out the roster.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
But like Jace has always been blue and tamiyo is blue, could one of them be another color this time around
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 08, 2016, 12:27:25 PM
I hereby dub {Thing in the Ice}, Ice Cube. Although I'm also digging the currently popular Titi 😆
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 08, 2016, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Tainted Tamiyo is part {B} now, corrupted by whatever is driving the angels insane, she researched it and now she is becoming affected...

Because that would be awesome

That, or Jace's actions recently have caused him to move into UW Territory.  We've had multicolor walkers that share colors in the same block before (Xenagos/Kiora on Theros, Kiora/Nissa on Zendikar, Sorin/Narset and Sarkhan/Narset on Tarkir)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 08, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
Id love to see a white blue jace

What typically were the colors of most moonfolk on kamigawa
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 08, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: Remillo on March 08, 2016, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Tainted Tamiyo is part {B} now, corrupted by whatever is driving the angels insane, she researched it and now she is becoming affected...

Because that would be awesome

That, or Jace's actions recently have caused him to move into UW Territory.  We've had multicolor walkers that share colors in the same block before (Xenagos/Kiora on Theros, Kiora/Nissa on Zendikar, Sorin/Narset and Sarkhan/Narset on Tarkir)

After watching the video.  I think have will be blue/black.    If not another flip one side blue. Then goes black
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 08, 2016, 07:09:01 PM
I really hope thats not the case. I get it, black is dark tainted magic but i am tired of all the people getting corrupted by it. At least add a few people getting purified and being maybe "tainted" white or something to balance it out. I know innistrad is a dark realm but at this rate everything be will be at least half black. Tainted mill focused jace? Suprised that has not been done yet. Oh wait it was, we call it {Jace, nightmare weaver}.

Please stop ruining all the unique walkers by tainting them WoTC.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 08, 2016, 07:17:29 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 08, 2016, 07:13:17 PM
Ajani was "tainted" red with ajani verdant when he found out about his brothers death, so maybe black 9snt the only color of "taint" maybe red will be as well. I'd love to see a primarily black walker be tainted by white or blue because they turned good haha
True. Look at avacyn, tainted red. But I strongly agree. I want to see a bad(black) walker get "tainted" good. Maybe liliana gets white and she finally brings back her brother, or better yet she could finally undo garruks veil curse and remove his black taint.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 08, 2016, 07:26:05 PM
Can we all stop saying Taint? Anyway, is it not somewhat of a white taint when spring went Markov to Lord of Innistrad? Though he may not have been strictly "bad/evil".
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 08, 2016, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Tainted Tamiyo is part {B} now, corrupted by whatever is driving the angels insane, she researched it and now she is becoming affected...

Because that would be awesome

On the other hand, back to this picture

(http://i66.tinypic.com/123y80i.png)

Tamiyo looks much like she did last time we saw her, Jace kinda looks like hell as if tainted or cursed or something
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 08, 2016, 08:19:59 PM
Have looks like he got his ass beat
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 08, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
I can't tell if Sorin smote Avacyn or if she's following him.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 08, 2016, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 08, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
I can't tell if Sorin smote Avacyn or if she's following him.

Looks like he put her in her place
"I brought you into this world, I can take you out!"
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 08, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 08, 2016, 08:49:23 PM
Crispy wing leads me to think either he is rebuking her post rampage or she transformed right next to him and that's why they are both smokey...
She kinda looks like  {Dragonlord Ojutai} a bit...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 09, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 08, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
I can't tell if Sorin smote Avacyn or if she's following him.

Definitely looks like a smiting, another thing I just noticed, look at her legs, it kinda looks like there's stone binding her to the ground
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Codester1991 on March 09, 2016, 01:12:21 AM
Quote from: MarduArrow on March 09, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 08, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
I can't tell if Sorin smote Avacyn or if she's following him.


Definitely looks like a smiting, another thing I just noticed, look at her legs, it kinda looks like there's stone binding her to the ground

They're hands either holding her down or pulling her down if you look closely
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 09, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 09, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
Sigarda!!!!

She is in the story!!
Sigarda, bane of mono-colored EDH?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 09, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 09, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
Sigarda!!!!

She is in the story!!
Oh she pissed. Time for some angel slaying!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 09, 2016, 05:35:04 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 09, 2016, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 09, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 09, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
Sigarda!!!!

She is in the story!!
Sigarda, bane of mono-colored EDH?

Nah, that's Iona ;)
My bad. Sigarda, bane of Rise-Era Eldrazi. I'm beginning to suspect another MaRo half-truth. Emmy is not ON Inistrad, but is affecting it.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 09, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Is that your story speculation or confirmed ?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 09, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
You people...

I would much rather it be Marit Lage
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 09, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
I am in the group that thinks  {Nahiri, the Lithomancer} is pulling some stonework .poo. on the moon. I mean she crafted hedrons ugin used to bind the eldrazi. If she made somethinf that powerful she could maybe do something to the moon. Besides if it was really emmy up there, where did the real moon go?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 09, 2016, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 09, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
I am in the group that thinks  {Nahiri, the Lithomancer} is pulling some stonework .poo. on the moon. I mean she crafted hedrons ugin used to bind the eldrazi. If she made somethinf that powerful she could maybe do something to the moon. Besides if it was really emmy up there, where did the real moon go?
But what reason would she have to do that? I mean is she so pissed at Sorin that she decides to mess with the entire plane?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 10, 2016, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: Thefluffymacheen on March 09, 2016, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 09, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
I am in the group that thinks  {Nahiri, the Lithomancer} is pulling some stonework .poo. on the moon. I mean she crafted hedrons ugin used to bind the eldrazi. If she made somethinf that powerful she could maybe do something to the moon. Besides if it was really emmy up there, where did the real moon go?
But what reason would she have to do that? I mean is she so pissed at Sorin that she decides to mess with the entire plane?
Well, he didn't show up to save her plane, so now she destroys his?
Childish, but not unheard of.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 10, 2016, 02:22:25 AM

Here is my view on how things are gonna go down. The shadow over innistrad (SOI) is avacyn, but not just her but what her fall means to sorin. In the art posted earlier it looks like sorin taking care of her with jace and taymo watching. Avacyn's corruption is horrible, not just what she starts to do but what it means. The creatures that she had held at bay will be coming back, and getting another protector will be a "temporary" measure until the new one falls unless sorin finds some way to prevent it.

Then there is this new clue mechanic introduced. I think sorin won't know why avacyn turned bad, but i think Jace is gonna go poking around and learn that something is not quite right.

This leads to eldrich moon. Its to early to really say for sure what will happen. Its safe to assume nahiri is there and I think she is the one causing whatever it is that happens. Now while i hope she is just doing some stonework magic on it as i wrote this I noticed something.

A few of the cards spoiled so far have had wierd tentacles. We got the colorless land (with what looks like nahiri) and there is an white creature card with investigate that has the person looking at tentacles-like stuff on a wall. Also the magnifing glass card seems to me like in there is a tiny eye in the wound under the lens. Now while i hope it is not true i think that emmy is here/might be coming. I did hear that SOI started develop while the 3 block design was still in effect, so maybe nahiri is trying to lure the last eldrazi titian to innistrad so sorin will have to help fight them. And orginally in the third set of this block was meant to have emmy in it. In other words, one titan per set.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 10, 2016, 02:31:17 AM
The one Titan per set idea was used in development for BFZ-block. By that time it was thought to be a three block, I understood from an interview with the lead developer.

Nahiri does know how to lure the Titans, so it would be plausible. Whether it is to punish Sorin for not showing up, or forcing him to fight, or maybe both.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Plz plz plz keep eldrazi off innistrad
Oy vey
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 10, 2016, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Plz plz plz keep eldrazi off innistrad
Oy vey
Agreed, I'm over Eldrazi already.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 10, 2016, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 10, 2016, 07:35:04 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 10, 2016, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Plz plz plz keep eldrazi off innistrad
Oy vey
Agreed, I'm over Eldrazi already.

So is modern ;)

I hope.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 08:24:27 PM
Don't get me wrong, I thought I'd hate them, I enjoy them. But innistrad has a very special flavor and lore and I'd like to keep the creepy horror going, cosmic horror would ruin it. In wouldn't mind eldrazi floating around and messing up other planes, just leave them off innistrad at least for one go round
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 10, 2016, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 10, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 08:24:27 PM
Don't get me wrong, I thought I'd hate them, I enjoy them. But innistrad has a very special flavor and lore and I'd like to keep the creepy horror going, cosmic horror would ruin it. In wouldn't mind eldrazi floating around and messing up other planes, just leave them off innistrad at least for one go round

But Color from Outer Space....
or {Cosmic Horror}
Cosmic Horror was one of my friend's favorite card growing up. He had at least one in every black deck...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 11, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 10, 2016, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 10, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 10, 2016, 08:24:27 PM
Don't get me wrong, I thought I'd hate them, I enjoy them. But innistrad has a very special flavor and lore and I'd like to keep the creepy horror going, cosmic horror would ruin it. In wouldn't mind eldrazi floating around and messing up other planes, just leave them off innistrad at least for one go round

But Color from Outer Space....
or {Cosmic Horror}
Cosmic Horror was one of my friend's favorite card growing up. He had at least one in every black deck...
{cosmoc horror} is awesome, since it doesn't get sacrificed, but destroyed if you don't pay the upkeep. Get some regen + untap or indestructibility on him, never worry about his upkeep cost.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 11, 2016, 12:50:55 PM
New vamp
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 11, 2016, 01:18:33 PM
Uncommon tap lands
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 11, 2016, 04:56:27 PM
Hey I mean no one has a short of a story as xenagos 😂😂
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 11, 2016, 06:06:32 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 11, 2016, 03:54:17 PM
Ya know what's saddest about tibalt? It isn't HIM that players don't like, it's the card abilities. If they printed Chandra with those EXACT same ability, people would hate her. Poor tibalt is a victim of chance. I happen to like the character, I hope wizards prints him again on a real card

His card fit his lore very well, true he should have been better but they did a solid job of conveying his character.

His character is most of why I hate him. He tortured people for fun. That passes evil villain and reaches into disturbing in my books. Some people like him as a character but I'm pretty sure Sorin killed him (if you have evidence to the contrary let me know) and I'll be happy happy happy if he stays deaded.

What I would love is a redemption arch where he comes back B/W and teams up with Sorin. After him and Nahiri become friends again. But that's a bad fanfiction that I won't be writing.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 14, 2016, 09:56:06 AM
Anguished Unmaking
1WB
Instant
Exile target nonland permanent.  You lose three life.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdg0g7eUsAIVdGA.jpg:large

Perhaps this is what that artwork is for?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 14, 2016, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Remillo on March 14, 2016, 09:56:06 AM
Anguished Unmaking
1WB
Instant
Exile target nonland permanent.  You lose three life.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdg0g7eUsAIVdGA.jpg:large

Perhaps this is what that artwork is for?

Ah, here's the non-promo version.  It's the badass Sorin art.

http://imgur.com/boh8uo4
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 14, 2016, 11:13:37 AM
Plenty of new spoilers up on mythicspoiler!  But also notable is...

Nahiri, the Harbinger
2WR
Planeswalker - Nahiri
+2: You may discard a card.  If you do, draw a card.
-2: Exile target enchantment, tapped artifact or tapped creature.
-8: Search your library for an artifact or creature card and put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.  It gains haste.  Return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Starting Loyalty: 4

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/nahiritheharbinger.jpg
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 14, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
I don't like her :( it doesn't fit her lore why does a lithomancer have a draw ability? Her -2 and -8 are more appropriate for her but still stretching it a bit.

Game wise she's decent with Madness I guess but her -2 is what she'll be good for mostly. Idk if she'll be good or bad yet but time shall tell :)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 14, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
Her -8 seems lackluster to me. But then again she gains loyality with a +2 and that makes it easier to get to. I guess if you think about it, her thing is just a creature tutor which lets you get a quick attack or tap effect in.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 14, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
{Startled awake} - {persistent nightmare} gives me hope that mill, my favorite deck style, might make a return to standard play give time. Plus there are delerium stuff so people would have a way to punish/combat mill decks
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 14, 2016, 03:20:29 PM
Seems like  Avacyn is getting "terminated" this set based by the flavor text of "Anguished Unmaking"
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 14, 2016, 03:55:27 PM
Mythic wolf
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 14, 2016, 04:41:56 PM
That's cute
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 14, 2016, 05:20:33 PM
So reprint of check lands?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 14, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
Mm does it stay attached when both transform?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 14, 2016, 05:59:11 PM
Its a pretty solid peice, and bfz/ogw had some equipment loving cards, maybe we might see some kind of equipment deck form
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 14, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Vampires, zombies, and spirits oh my!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 14, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
Ally equipment.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 14, 2016, 09:52:53 PM
The Heirloom seems insane with the Inquisitors.  Equip, move to end step, exile a dude and it's a 7/7 First Strike?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 14, 2016, 11:58:15 PM
Holy Falkenrath Glutton! That's the red vampire in chinoreancan'tread. Took me a while to find a name and what it did but damn son!

-----------------------------
Falkenrath Glutton - {R}

Vampire Berserker - R

Vampire creature cards you own that are not on the battlefield have Madness. Their madness cost is equal to their converted mana cost.

2/1
-----------------------------


Seems pretty damn good! The aggressive cost makes the ability actually worthwhile. Let's see some killer vamps now! I remember {B}/{R} vamps in old Innistrad Standard. This card could be extremely good!

Side note - who the hell is Old Rutstein???

EDIT: Whoops! Sorry, I accidentally put it as a 2-drop. It's a 1-drop people. It's a 1-drop.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 15, 2016, 01:28:29 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 14, 2016, 03:20:29 PM
Seems like  Avacyn is getting "terminated" this set based by the flavor text of "Anguished Unmaking"

Sorin puts her down like a sick dog.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
Spirits get flash
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
New odric not Thalia =(

And a great black sac card
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 15, 2016, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 11:10:07 AM
New odric not Thalia =(

And a great black sac card
Anyone else just super hyped for this set? These new cards are awesome.  For whatever reason, this set is just so much more interesting than the last 6 sets. Khans and Zendikar didn't seem nearly as fun as this set. I really hope I get good stuff for madness at the prerelease.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: particle on March 15, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Werewolf walker spoiled!!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 15, 2016, 11:27:16 AM
So good!

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/a-werewolf-planeswalker-arlinn-kord-of-shadows-over-innistrad/
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 15, 2016, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: particle on March 15, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Werewolf walker spoiled!!
That ultimate tho. I'm feeling red / green agro or maybe even red / green eldrazi. Pop her ultimate then watch them cry as you tap your  {Desolation Twin} and it's token for victory.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 11:40:08 AM
Or naya, has at least 2 walkers dual colored for them now
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: particle on March 15, 2016, 11:40:53 AM
Double quotation mark hype!!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
WB Sorin may represent white or black
RW nahiri is red
GR arylin is green

So
What are the predictions for the other two
We have two blue affiliations in jace and tamiyo
And Liliana is around apparently per black unless one of those blue walkers gained a black affinity
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 16, 2016, 11:13:23 AM
We got a new Jace
{3}{U}{U}
Starting loyality - 5
+1. Scry 1, then draw a card.
-2  return a creature to its owners hand
-8 you get an emblem "counter the first spell an opponent casts each turn"

Did we really need another with vyrn's prodigy still hanging around?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 16, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
Okay this set is nuts
And it seems like we're getting 4 walkers
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 16, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 16, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
Okay this set is nuts
And it seems like we're getting 4 walkers

Maro confirmed last week that we are getting 4 walkers 
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 16, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
Have is meh :( I'm still gunna play him bc I love Jace but he's not that great
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 16, 2016, 12:28:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 15, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
WB Sorin may represent white or black
RW nahiri is red
GR arylin is green

So
What are the predictions for the other two
We have two blue affiliations in jace and tamiyo
And Liliana is around apparently per black unless one of those blue walkers gained a black affinity
I think you're right. Sorin will probably be WB or just W and will represent white. I think it will be next set, but Lilliana will be black and Tamiyo blue (assuming nothing has or will happen to her). 
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 16, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
They could always do garruk for good measure
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 16, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 16, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
They could always do garruk for good measure

LSV has confirmed that Sorin is his Preview Card, and next set will most likely be Liliana alongside either Tamiyo or some other character.  We have our Green-aligned Planeswalker already in Arlinn, so it's possible we get a U or UX Tamiyo.

As for Sorin, he's probably still BW, and that will mean all five colors are represented in planeswalkers in a single set, which is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 16, 2016, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: Remillo on March 16, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 16, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
They could always do garruk for good measure

LSV has confirmed that Sorin is his Preview Card, and next set will most likely be Liliana alongside either Tamiyo or some other character.  We have our Green-aligned Planeswalker already in Arlinn, so it's possible we get a U or UX Tamiyo.

As for Sorin, he's probably still BW, and that will mean all five colors are represented in planeswalkers in a single set, which is pretty cool.
We do know the 4 in his set

Maybe we get 3 pws in moon!?!?   Garruk is still on innistrad.

"Liliana still carries the Chain Veil, and Garruk won't stop until he's cured of his intolerable death-tainted state. After failing to corner and defeat Liliana Vess on Innistrad, Garruk was captured by a commander of the Gavony Riders named Odric. Accused of a crime he did not commit, Garruk became enraged and escaped his captors. The Curse of the Veil had taken hold.

Now, Garruk continues his search not just for Liliana, but all Planeswalkers. The curse transforms him into a creature more unrecognizable with every kill. He embraces his newfound darkness and considers every Planeswalker to be his prey."
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 16, 2016, 04:21:39 PM
That's actually awesome!!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 16, 2016, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 16, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Garruk, Vieled Demon
Planeswalker - Garruk
{2}{B}{U}{G}
+1 Sacrifice a creature, Draw two cards
-3 Sacrifice a creature, creatures you control gain +X/+X until end of turn where x is equal to that creatures power
-X Destroy each creature with power X or less
Starting Loyalty: 4









Totally a llama creation
He's gotta blow up walkers somewhere in there 😉
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 16, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 16, 2016, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 16, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Garruk, Vieled Demon
Planeswalker - Garruk
{2}{B}{U}{G}
+1 Sacrifice a creature, Draw two cards
-1 destroy target planeswalker, add x loyalty counters to garruk where x is equal to the number of loyalty counters on that planeswalker
-3 Sacrifice a creature, creatures you control gain +X/+X until end of turn where x is equal to that creatures power
-X Destroy each creature with power X or less
Starting Loyalty: 4









Totally a llama creation
Gimme! I want!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 17, 2016, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 17, 2016, 12:08:43 AM
Lightning Axe, instant speed... makes you discard. Does that mean you can flash in creatures with madness?? Cuz like, flashing in vampires seems good.

Yup.  Madness bypasses normal timing restrictions.  Good thing, too, because there will almost never be a time when you would have to discard where the stack is empty.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 17, 2016, 03:16:22 AM
SIGARDA!! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE GREEN?!?! She would be such a good addition to my Kaalia deck 😭😭
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 09:29:14 AM
2 new lands
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 10:43:00 AM
Sorin is 6...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 10:49:40 AM
And his art is sooo baddddd
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 17, 2016, 12:12:10 PM
Not into the new Sorin. We have cooler cards this set.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 12:21:26 PM
Lots of people Are saying he's busted so I wonder why I'm so depressed, for 6 I thought elspeth was a little better both protect abilities
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 17, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
You need to consider the meta during theros and now. Theros was a fast set, aggro decks could kill turn 4-5 reliably, and mana ramping was not as good as currently. getting to 6 mana took awhile but the trade off was a potent walker, who could hit an empty board and keep herself safe.
6 mana is not the hugest strench now, we got 8-10 drops now creeping onto the battlefield.

First off his starting loyality is 6 which is rather good, elspeth started with 4.
Sorin gives you card draw and possible damage. Which can be great for recovering steam or finishing an enemy in the mid-late game. His -x lets him come out and clip a walker or creature which while not the strongest is still effective. And that -9 could be decent in standard, and pretty sweet in edh.

I will say I wish the art was better, his armor looks derpy and whats with that background?

Edit: thank you kaylesh.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 17, 2016, 12:44:35 PM
Ehm,Red, Sorin's +1 is reveal top, put in hand, opponent loses life equal to CMC.

His -X gains you life.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 17, 2016, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 17, 2016, 12:44:35 PM
Ehm,Red, Sorin's +1 is reveal top, put in hand, opponent loses life equal to CMC.

His -X gains you life.
Woops! I had just woke up so my bleary eyes misread.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 17, 2016, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 17, 2016, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 17, 2016, 12:44:35 PM
Ehm,Red, Sorin's +1 is reveal top, put in hand, opponent loses life equal to CMC.

His -X gains you life.
Woops! I had just woke up so my bleary eyes misread.
NP.

I really like the nice little innocent colorless land that becomes a demon.
Not very playable because of the steep cast (land drop + {5} + 5 creatures), but very nicely done.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 12:57:29 PM
I'm playing devils advocate because I really want to play sorin I just need the confidence
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: General Kiwi on March 17, 2016, 01:27:42 PM
Wow this set looks amazing. I will have to bite the bullet and buy a box
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 17, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
I really do like some of the cards but we have only seen like 1/3 of the total cards. And of them we have seen alot of the mythics, sure there have been some great single cards but where is the theme, the flavor? Our first time to innistrad was home of 5, 2 colored groups. Humans/angels, spirits, zombies, vampires, werewolfs. And the last few sets were people V eldrazi, 5 dragon/khans. You could pick a side.

So far SOI seems to me like its evil avacyn vs sorin but we know how that has ended. I don't get the feel of werewolf packs, evil spirits, and zombie hoards. I really hope this feeling changes as the next 2/3's is shown.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 17, 2016, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 12:57:29 PM
I'm playing devils advocate because I really want to play sorin I just need the confidence
Well, even only +1 into something like {desolation twin} seems worth the mana. ;)

Or +1 into {defiant bloodlord}, next turn cast it and -7 something. That's 14 life gone, right there. Sultai ramp/vampires to pull it off before T7?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 17, 2016, 02:59:47 PM
Sorin really isn't that strong :( he's only good if you're ahead on the board and if you're behind on the board he does almost nothing except become a 6 mana {Ruinous Path} idk just doesn't seem as worth as Elspeth who was an amazing 6 mana Walker! (Please reprint her 😔 lol)

Also that new demon land is sweet I'm going to try it with {Secure the Wastes}. I think it might be good enough to be the wincon of a control deck :)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 17, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 17, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
I really do like some of the cards but we have only seen like 1/3 of the total cards. And of them we have seen alot of the mythics, sure there have been some great single cards but where is the theme, the flavor? Our first time to innistrad was home of 5, 2 colored groups. Humans/angels, spirits, zombies, vampires, werewolfs. And the last few sets were people V eldrazi, 5 dragon/khans. You could pick a side.

So far SOI seems to me like its evil avacyn vs sorin but we know how that has ended. I don't get the feel of werewolf packs, evil spirits, and zombie hoards. I really hope this feeling changes as the next 2/3's is shown.
I'm not really sure why you think it's just Avacyn vs Sorin. There is a bunch more going on lore and purely card wise. There have been 9 wolf / werewolf themed cards, spirits, zombies, Angels, demons, and plenty of vampires.
As far as lore goes, we know that Avacyn is killed by Sorin, Nahiri is pissed at Sorin, Liliana and her demon friends are up to no good, and that something is up with Jace and Tamiyo.
If you ask me, there are loads of ways this set could go as far as themed decks go (wolves, vampires, zombies, spirits, demons, or Angels).
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 05:10:53 PM
We also have 200 cards ish to go
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 17, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
Plus the possibility still of Emrakul hahaha it's becoming less and less likely everyday lol but I can still dream!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 17, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
If Emmy is here it's in set 2
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 17, 2016, 05:44:15 PM
The werewalker's story is pretty solid and I'm intrigued to see how she ties into everything.

There's Sorin vs Avacyn then there's Avacyn's followers vs werewolfs, vampires and zombies.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imFourth of Phils on March 17, 2016, 06:19:46 PM
guess Emrakul will be in Eldritch Moon, cuz Jace is looking for clues what happened in Innistrad
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Spencer Addington on March 17, 2016, 08:51:07 PM
Will harness the storm see any play in storm? It seems better than past in flames.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 17, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
Behold the Beyond
5BB
Sorcery
Discard your hand. Search your library for three cards and put those cards into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

"There is power in the abyss, in blackness more profound than the darkest dreams."


Card ehh.   Flavor text = great story insight
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 17, 2016, 11:08:08 PM
They made a way better {Unbreathing Horde}. Damn {Diregraf Colossus}! You cray cray!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 20, 2016, 04:26:02 PM
New red spoiler with artwork that almost looks like Sorin being killed.  If it is, possibly Nahiri's doing?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 20, 2016, 04:42:13 PM
No way is that sorin. Its just a random vampire.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 20, 2016, 05:30:03 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 20, 2016, 04:42:13 PM
No way is that sorin. Its just a random vampire.
It looks like the old Sorin just without his chest piece. But don't get me wrong, I don't want it to be Sorin.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 20, 2016, 07:12:03 PM
apparently the translation is as such:

Burn From Within
XR
Sorcery
Burn from Within deals X damage to target creature or player. If a creature is dealt damage this way, it loses indestructible until end of turn. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.

Basically, a Sorcery-speed burn spell that bypasses indestructible.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: griffin131 on March 20, 2016, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 17, 2016, 08:51:07 PM
Will harness the storm see any play in storm? It seems better than past in flames.
Note that it requires a spell to be cast from hand.

Not really better than past in flames imo
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imthelolrus on March 20, 2016, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 20, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
It's not sorin. Alsoooooo, the artwork for the new sorin is so bad... Eric descamp, really let us down
New Olivia looks even worse IMO :/
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imthelolrus on March 20, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 20, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on March 20, 2016, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 20, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
It's not sorin. Alsoooooo, the artwork for the new sorin is so bad... Eric descamp, really let us down
New Olivia looks even worse IMO :/

Awe
Why does everyone have to be so hard-on poor Olivia?

;)
Her 3rd leg has really grown on me :P
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 21, 2016, 08:36:44 AM
Yet another cycle of rare allied duals.  These ones come into play tapped unless you reveal a land with a type they produce (for example, Gruul one asks you to reveal a Forest or Mountain) from your hand.

Also, an enchantment for 1B that makes a 1/1 Vampire Knight with Lifelink for 1 and discarding a card, but once per turn.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rass on March 21, 2016, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: Remillo on March 21, 2016, 08:36:44 AM
Yet another cycle of rare allied duals.  These ones come into play tapped unless you reveal a land with a type they produce (for example, Gruul one asks you to reveal a Forest or Mountain) from your hand.

Also, an enchantment for 1B that makes a 1/1 Vampire Knight with Lifelink for 1 and discarding a card, but once per turn.

Think this will make shocks go up?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: griffin131 on March 21, 2016, 11:13:27 AM
Well, they won't go down.
But these lands aren't modern playable so they won't make shocks change in value at all.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on March 21, 2016, 11:24:16 AM
These aren't even remotely playable in modern imo. I think that they'll be good in standard though
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 21, 2016, 08:23:55 PM
Sin prodder {2}{R}

Menace
At your upkeep reveil top card of deck. Your opponent can pick to have sin prodder deal damage equal the cards CMC to them. If they do put the card in your graveyard, if they don't put the card in your hand.
3/2

Thoughts? I think is could be pretty good paired with that red enchantment that got spoiled.... {Harness the storm}. Where you can cast cards from your grave yard if it has the same name as a card cast from your hand
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 21, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
I think it's pretty darn good anyway
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 21, 2016, 10:39:57 PM
It doesn't replace your draw step, you can still draw them just fine. And red your probably curving out around this guy anyway. Let them pitch my lands I'm okay with that
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 22, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
I think you may be a little to cautious it's not like they'll see every land every time
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: LinkCelestrial on March 22, 2016, 01:15:34 AM
Statistically it'll make no difference. Reverse {Dark Confidant} sounds broken. Jeskai/Grixis control, burn...
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 22, 2016, 02:44:54 AM
Triskaidekaphobia
3B
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, choose one:
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player loses 1 life.
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player gains 1 life.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 22, 2016, 03:40:46 AM
Quote from: Remillo on March 22, 2016, 02:44:54 AM
Triskaidekaphobia
3B
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, choose one:
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player loses 1 life.
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player gains 1 life.

Hehe, fear of thirteen.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 22, 2016, 09:51:38 AM
Board it in if your going to time lol
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: imFourth of Phils on March 22, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Remillo on March 22, 2016, 02:44:54 AM
Triskaidekaphobia
3B
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, choose one:
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player loses 1 life.
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player gains 1 life.

1 {B} 3 {3} = 13
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 22, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on March 22, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Remillo on March 22, 2016, 02:44:54 AM
Triskaidekaphobia
3B
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, choose one:
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player loses 1 life.
-Each player with exactly 13 life loses the game, then each player gains 1 life.

1 {B} 3 {3} = 13
Spooky
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 22, 2016, 10:22:40 AM
3p00ky5m3
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Codester1991 on March 22, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
Everything on the cards art has to do with 13. 13 pieces of wood in fireplace, 13 drips of blood, 13 studs in barrel, 13 bricks in fireplace, etc., etc.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 22, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 22, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
Everything on the cards art has to do with 13. 13 pieces of wood in fireplace, 13 drips of blood, 13 studs in barrel, 13 bricks in fireplace, etc., etc.
Awesome flavor win. Now I'm going to figure out a way to get the opponent to 13 reliably.
{Sorin markov} + {healing salve} just before your upkeep oughta work..
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 22, 2016, 12:53:37 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 22, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 22, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
Everything on the cards art has to do with 13. 13 pieces of wood in fireplace, 13 drips of blood, 13 studs in barrel, 13 bricks in fireplace, etc., etc.
Awesome flavor win. Now I'm going to figure out a way to get the opponent to 13 reliably.
{Sorin markov} + {healing salve} just before your upkeep oughta work..

Oh man let them please reprint {sign in blood}
Could be a cute way to use this card
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on March 22, 2016, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 22, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 22, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
Everything on the cards art has to do with 13. 13 pieces of wood in fireplace, 13 drips of blood, 13 studs in barrel, 13 bricks in fireplace, etc., etc.
Awesome flavor win. Now I'm going to figure out a way to get the opponent to 13 reliably.
{Sorin markov} + {healing salve} just before your upkeep oughta work..
{Tree of Redemption}  {Magus of the Mirror}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: particle on March 22, 2016, 03:08:44 PM
Is it just flavor to make {goldnight castigator} have 9 toughness and then take double damage? I understand the relevance of double damage to you, but why not just make her have 4 or 5 toughness and not take double damage? When would this be relevant?

Edit: doesn't die to {dismember}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 22, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Waste of a mythic imo
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 23, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Resident evil doggie
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 23, 2016, 08:50:34 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 23, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Resident evil doggie
I'd play him. I'd love him more with haste.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Remillo on March 23, 2016, 09:40:44 AM
Prized Amalgam
1UB
Creature - Zombie
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, if it entered from your graveyard or you cast it from your graveyard, return Prized Amalgam from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped at the beginning of the next end step.
"Ludevic's laboratory is a veritable wonderland. I have never felt so inspiried."
-Stitcher Geralf
3/3

Bring on the Dredge-Vine!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on March 23, 2016, 10:48:07 AM

The Gitrog Monster
3BG
Legendary Creature - Frog Horror
Deathtouch

At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice The Gitrog Monster unless you sacrifice a land.

You may play an additional land on each of your turns.

Whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, draw a card.
Illus. Jason Kang   6/6


Could it be? A modern playable 5 drop?
Dodges everything but path, and you play it with fetches, tec edge, and ghost quarter?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 23, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
Not only that but it's the 16th mythic
The first set to have more than 15

What does this mean for boxing, how many mythics do we expect
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on March 23, 2016, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on March 23, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
Not only that but it's the 16th mythic
The first set to have more than 15

What does this mean for boxing, how many mythics do we expect
It's confirmed there will be 18 mythics. Does that raise the chance of opening a mythic to 1:7? Probably not. This is a 297 card set. Khans of Tarkir was 267.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 23, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
I hope it raises the chance, I mean we obviously go down on the chance of hitting the mythic that we want
So it's only fair that we get a Better chance 😂
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 23, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 23, 2016, 10:48:07 AM

The Gitrog Monster
3BG
Legendary Creature - Frog Horror
Deathtouch

At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice The Gitrog Monster unless you sacrifice a land.

You may play an additional land on each of your turns.

Whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, draw a card.
Illus. Jason Kang   6/6


Could it be? A modern playable 5 drop?
Dodges everything but path, and you play it with fetches, tec edge, and ghost quarter?
It may even see standard play. This set has a lot of "return land from graveyard to hand" most likely setting up standard to make this thing viable.
*Edit* this could be good with some of the landfall elementals too. It allows you to get twice, even 4 times the landfall triggers if you play something like {Evolving Wilds}
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on March 23, 2016, 12:28:55 PM
Standard doesn't have  {Crucible of Worlds} though ;)
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: redwolv on March 23, 2016, 12:40:10 PM
Forgot creation 3U

3/3 creature
Skulk
At the begining of your upkeep you may discard your hand then draw that many cards.


Looks like it would be great for madness decks.
Add harness the storm to fling burn/kill spells at your enemy like crazy. In U/R or U/B/R

Also might be helpfull to set up delirum but delirum seems easy to pull off if you have a balanced deck with many card types.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Sto5rm on March 23, 2016, 05:50:36 PM
What's with all these tentacles and extra eyes and crap on some of these cards?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 24, 2016, 02:14:30 AM
Yay janky green mythic
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on March 24, 2016, 02:34:48 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4bm66i/soi_puzzle_clue_token_flavor_texts/
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
{seasons past} seems very abusable in U/G.
(4GG, sorcery, return any number of cards with different CMC to hand, put SP at the bottom of your library).

Let's choose  {Mystical Tutor} as 1-drop, or  {Ethereal Usher} as 6-drop....
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 24, 2016, 12:12:17 PM
New discard outlet and potential wincon for grixis madness.

Creeping Dread
3B
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player discards a card. Each opponent who discarded a card that shares a type with the card you discarded loses 3 life. (Players reveal the discarded cards simultaneously.)
Illus. Anthony Palumbo   
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Brawler_1337 on March 24, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
{seasons past} seems very abusable in U/G.
(4GG, sorcery, return any number of cards with different CMC to hand, put SP at the bottom of your library).

Let's choose  {Mystical Tutor} as 1-drop, or  {Ethereal Usher} as 6-drop....
U/G decks are probably full up on that slot with {Praetor's Counsel}. But you never know. I like the card, anyway.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on March 24, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
{seasons past} seems very abusable in U/G.
(4GG, sorcery, return any number of cards with different CMC to hand, put SP at the bottom of your library).

Let's choose  {Mystical Tutor} as 1-drop, or  {Ethereal Usher} as 6-drop....
U/G decks are probably full up on that slot with {Praetor's Counsel}. But you never know. I like the card, anyway.
Counsel is only one-shot, though. Since {seasons past} never hits the yard, it could be very hard to deal with. (It would have to be countered or discarded to even hit the yard).
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Brawler_1337 on March 24, 2016, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on March 24, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 24, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
{seasons past} seems very abusable in U/G.
(4GG, sorcery, return any number of cards with different CMC to hand, put SP at the bottom of your library).

Let's choose  {Mystical Tutor} as 1-drop, or  {Ethereal Usher} as 6-drop....
U/G decks are probably full up on that slot with {Praetor's Counsel}. But you never know. I like the card, anyway.
Counsel is only one-shot, though. Since {seasons past} never hits the yard, it could be very hard to deal with. (It would have to be countered or discarded to even hit the yard).
It's often better for cards to go to the graveyard than to the bottom of the deck. The graveyard is more often than not more accessible than the deck.

Also, even though it is a one-shot, Praetor's Counsel usually generates so much card advantage that you'll most likely win a game in which it resolves.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on March 25, 2016, 12:16:32 PM
Full spoiler up
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 25, 2016, 01:11:26 PM
 {Unruly Mob} is back at it again!
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 25, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
My wolf deck is going to get a huge revamp.
So many nice puppies.
Howling at the moon with joy.

And unstickied.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 27, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 25, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
How about the 1 drop black {lightning helix}
I guess I'm missing it.
I see only 2 black 1-drops. {Dead Weight} reprint and a sorcery that exiles a card from the yard, gives you a zombie and gains you 2.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Estel2931 on March 27, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Anyone else liking {Skin Invasion}?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on March 27, 2016, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on March 27, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Anyone else liking {Skin Invasion}?
Holy crap!
That card looks damn good!
Is there enough fuel for RDW in Standard?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Thefluffymacheen on March 27, 2016, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on March 27, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Anyone else liking {Skin Invasion}?
How would that be used? Would you put it on an opponent's small creature to make it so you can easily get the transformation? Or would you put it on your creature as an I-dare-you-to-block-it creature?
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Estel2931 on March 27, 2016, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: Thefluffymacheen on March 27, 2016, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on March 27, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Anyone else liking {Skin Invasion}?
How would that be used? Would you put it on an opponent's small creature to make it so you can easily get the transformation? Or would you put it on your creature as an I-dare-you-to-block-it creature?

You could use it either way...maybe use it on your own creature and sac it....there's a lot of options. I'd probably use it on their creatures but it also depends on the kind of deck your using....I just think the card is pretty nice ha
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on March 27, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 27, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 25, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
How about the 1 drop black {lightning helix}
I guess I'm missing it.
I see only 2 black 1-drops. {Dead Weight} reprint and a sorcery that exiles a card from the yard, gives you a zombie and gains you 2.
{Alms of the vein}, and its madness cost 1. Otherwise, 3.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 28, 2016, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Johng4490 on March 27, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 27, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 25, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
How about the 1 drop black {lightning helix}
I guess I'm missing it.
I see only 2 black 1-drops. {Dead Weight} reprint and a sorcery that exiles a card from the yard, gives you a zombie and gains you 2.
{Alms of the vein}, and its madness cost 1. Otherwise, 3.
Ah. That's why I missed it.
Title: Re: Shadows of innistrad (baseless speculation and spoilers)
Post by: Kaylesh on March 28, 2016, 04:36:17 PM
On an aside, what are the odds of Odric starting to cleave heads and teach a Scotsman how to fight?
Kudos to Manaleak for posting the pics of Ramirez (Sean Connery) next to the new Odric.