Anyone else watching? What do y'all think?
I wonder if we will ever have a best canidate to vote for, not a least worse one. I can't really stand anyone (democrat or republican) this round.
It show cased mostly unknowns, one corporate owned liar, a very new politician, and one winner. Sadly the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well so I can't comment further. But he's the best atm.
Quote from: Distriimuir on October 15, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
It show cased mostly unknowns, one corporate owned liar, a very new politician, and one winner. Sadly the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well so I can't comment further. But he's the best atm.
I call a lie on your claim, please treat this as your ban warning.
I understand Bernie's ideology better than anyone else here, as I have been born (against my will, may I add) in country where Bernie's economic ideas were all implemented. I was raised in a vulnerable family which was supposed to be helped most by the system Bernie advocates, and it failed for my family and for everyone else who was living in Socialism.
I have been studying Socialism, the economic ideology which Bernie openly stands for, since I attended primary school, which was well before 1989.
I now live in the UK and I do not want to see world falling for lies Bernie and the likes of him spread. What Socialists claim fails in reality. I have written about it in the past, and will ban and delete accounts and all posts of any morons who openly insult me in this section of the forum with claims similar to "the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well".
I think it is simple enough definition of what I do not want to be done to me, and as the owner of this Forum I expect you to respect this request of mine.
Have fun otherwise ;)
Then what system works best.
It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller ;)
Quote from: Test on December 20, 2015, 01:38:05 PM
It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller ;)
Is that really proven? Where has a true socialism economy failed? Where has a true free market flourished?
So, any news on the democratic debate? All I pick up here is news on Trump. He's managing to get compared to our Mozart of .politics., Wilders.
Quote from: Rass on December 20, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: Test on December 20, 2015, 01:38:05 PM
It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller ;)
Is that really proven? Where has a true socialism economy failed? Where has a true free market flourished?
Yes it is really proven. Socialist economy failed to fulfil on its promises everywhere it has been tried. Free trade flourished and bettered the life of people everywhere it has been tried in comparison in a scientifically controllable manner, such as German lands, Korean lands, Chinese lands, and many more.
Both suffer from a certain set of the same problems, as there is no such thing system without issues, but Socialism creates far more unwanted, damaging and outright immoral* side effects than Free trade does.
* as far as "do not do to others what they would not want done to themselves" goes.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 20, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
So, any news on the democratic debate? All I pick up here is news on Trump. He's managing to get compared to our Mozart of .politics., Wilders.
Once you are successful enough, you will get all sort of garbage thrown at you by the people who prefer the status quo. .politics. is one area of reality where resistance to change is perhaps the strongest. Fact of life. Compare hate Trump gets with the hate Obama got when he was making his change. Not really much worse, is it? BTW, I hear that Socialist promises of Obamacare failed to deliver and the vulnerable people are worse off? Not surprised.
I heard the idea of Obamacare was perverted by corporate America.
Looking at my own situation, I'm way better off with our (Dutch) system of healthcare. Really glad my insurance company doesn't decide what treatment is deemed necessary but doctors do.
World is not black and white, Taysby, there is infinity of colours in between. Still, it is proven that Freedom is better than Socialism in the area of economy, because Socialism is based on false assumptions.
Obamacare was corrupted by the reality, Kaylesh, in reality people are greedy and they place themselves first, then their family, then their friends, then their neighbours, then the rest of society. Socialism assumes this is not the case and we should all treat ourselves the same as the rest of society. It fails in practice, every time, because people have and will always have different priorities for themselves, their family, friends and the rest of society.
People do tend to be selfish things.
You see the same thing happening here, with managers draining as much as possible from the institutions they manage. (Hospitals, insurance companies that claim to be not-for-profit, the list goes on).
However, if a community agrees some things should be available to all, like the fire department, police, and why not, healthcare, when funded publicly it can benefit each individual.
Unfortunately we are stuck with human tendencies, like self-enrichment, which will cause problems. Corrupt policemen being the most common example. But should we then rely on self-defense or vigilante justice?
We can have the best of both if we compromise. Free trade is so far the best tool we have to find compromises, I think.
Quote from: Test on December 21, 2015, 08:43:39 AM
We can have the best of both if we compromise. Free trade is so far the best tool we have to find compromises, I think.
Free trade is showing to be bad in its own ways. Look at the United States. Look at how the separation between the middle class is to the 1%.
How do you run your family? Free market or socialism?
If everyone cared as much about society as a whole as they do their family it would be different. But human greed destroys everything
For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.
I'm sorry that the world is as it is and socialism does not work in reality. For this reason I run my family with http://ultimatelaw.org which 'accidentally' was designed to stop socialism* and the likes. Freedom runs strong in my family.
Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman which one?
* has plenty of stopping power: helped me to stop a sort-of pub brawl from happening on a private party once, as I keep a business-card sized copy on me at all times ;)
Quote from: Test on December 21, 2015, 09:27:19 AM
I'm sorry that the world is as it is and socialism does not work in reality. For this reason I run my family with http://ultimatelaw.org which 'accidentally' was designed to stop socialism* and the likes. Freedom runs strong in my family.
Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman which one?
* has plenty of stopping power: helped me to stop a sort-of pub brawl from happening on a private party once, as I keep a business-card sized copy on me at all times ;)
I get back to Pullman later on or start a new topic. but let's just go one topic at a time. (I'm sorry for adding two) so we don't get confused.
It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?
Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately. This is why we know. Socialism is the economic model of Socialism the political system. The political system is based on false scientific theory and is a big fat lie from the start.
Promising what can not be delivered, is a lie.
Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?
Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.
Quote from: Test on December 22, 2015, 02:11:37 AM
Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?
Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.
And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 22, 2015, 05:23:04 AM
And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.
Yes, this is precisely why Free market, the economical system sometimes called Capitalism, is harnessing this power of greed to force Capitalists such as Donald Trump to create jobs and in the process well being of people. It is one of the many reasons why Freedom turns out to be a better thing than Socialism which has no answer to greed at all! :D
Quote from: Test on December 22, 2015, 01:54:33 AM
Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately.
This is not true. How many times have scientist failed and keep doing a similar hypothesis with one different variable?
Quote from: Rass on December 22, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: Test on December 22, 2015, 01:54:33 AM
Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately.
This is not true. How many times have scientist failed and keep doing a similar hypothesis with one different variable?
It is true for a hypothesis, though. Then again, that's the whole idea behind an hypothesis.
If a theory/model is incorrect, it is more often then not adapted, rather than abandoned.
Newton's laws are still applied, even if they don't hold in certain situations.
Yes. I got cut off. They don't just scrap the plan. That's what my point was. And they will try the same test again just to make sure they didn't somehow mess up on the test and get a different result.
Quote from: Test on December 22, 2015, 02:11:37 AM
Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?
Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.
That is very few and far between. Most people who do that take those charities and use them as tax write offs. Again more for self purposes.
Quote from: Piotr on December 22, 2015, 05:35:19 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 22, 2015, 05:23:04 AM
And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.
Yes, this is precisely why Free market, the economical system sometimes called Capitalism, is harnessing this power of greed to force Capitalists such as Donald Trump to create jobs and in the process well being of people. It is one of the many reasons why Freedom turns out to be a better thing than Socialism which has no answer to greed at all! :D
Yes it forces them to create jobs. This "job creator" title is the biggest set of bullshit I ever heard. They want to make more money. If they had it their way you would get paid the least as possible. .poo. they would bring back slavery. There would be no rules or regulations if trump had his way.
And if you believe your right you win I give up. Arguing over the Internet is quite silly and I fell for it. If your ever in the us and around Chicagoland let me know it can be better to speak then to write too many things get confused (or mistyped by me)
You win
Regarding the average income theory.
That one holds for as long as jobs are available in that sector. In the current economic situation, where unemployment is high, average salaries offer will drop, where in a situation where unemployment is close to 0, salary wars might cause prices of products to soar.
It's pretty dependent on the calculations of the employer. That's why I wouldn't call "creating jobs" a form of charity tbh.
Most jobs underpay currently for the cost of living
So there's that factor too, working hard at a job that takes all your time and it doesn't pay enough to get by, it just sends people without any initial support on a downward spiral if they get pegged with an average life situation (car problems, pet emergency, family emergency etc)
Yes the taxes are too high.
I look at it this way. Bernie sounds like a nice guy who has some good ideas, but might be too extreme. Trump is honestly out of control and way too extreme. We in America don't currently have a non extreme candidate worth looking at. That's the problem with the front runners currently.
Btw the reason I think Trump is extreme is because of his comments on Muslims and other religions and races in general.
Racism cannot become the face of USA
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 08, 2016, 12:54:24 PM
Racism cannot become the face of USA
Neither can incest :P
And who would be reppin that
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 08, 2016, 06:46:56 PM
And who would be reppin that
Trump. In an interview he was being a bit pervy about his daughter. Just a little joke and his expense..
Yeesh
Quality guy
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 08, 2016, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 08, 2016, 06:46:56 PM
And who would be reppin that
Trump. In an interview he was being a bit pervy about his daughter. Just a little joke and his expense..
Put the future POTUS in the same context I was put when I had my rebellion on this forum done against me and your account will be promptly deleted. This is your last warning.
Quote from: Piotr on January 10, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 08, 2016, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 08, 2016, 06:46:56 PM
And who would be reppin that
Trump. In an interview he was being a bit pervy about his daughter. Just a little joke and his expense..
Put the future POTUS in the same context I was put when I had my rebellion on this forum done against me and your account will be promptly deleted. This is your last warning.
Alright. It's actually different context. You had an opinion that people didn't agree with, which doesn't matter to me, and trump fumbled over an interview and people are throwing jokes around. Clearly he doesn't want to have sex with his kid..
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 10, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Clearly he doesn't want to have sex with his kid..
So steer away from the topic which people would find insulting to themselves, unless you do not care about losing your account and its history on my forum. Thank you for your cooperation.
I want no low-blow insults towards any candidates for POTUS from the guests on my forum, or else you will stop being guests.
Quote from: Piotr on January 10, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 10, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Clearly he doesn't want to have sex with his kid..
So steer away from the topic which people would find insulting to themselves, unless you do not care about losing your account and its history on my forum. Thank you for your cooperation.
I want no low-blow insults towards any candidates for POTUS from the guests on my forum, or else you will stop being guests.
Sure thing.