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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Chaosquirrel on April 26, 2012, 10:09:22 PM

Title: Helvault
Post by: Chaosquirrel on April 26, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
When a permanent leaves the battlefield and returns the game see's it as a new object, so if u use {Helvault} to exile some thing if u then flicker said {Helvault} are the exiled cards still linked to it?
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Grexis on April 26, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Chaosquirrel on April 26, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
When a permanent leaves the battlefield and returns the game see's it as a new object, so if u use {Helvault} to exile some thing if u then {flicker} said {Helvault} are the exiled cards still linked to it?
Let's see
Well since you exiled it and it never went to the graveyard I think the cards that were exiled remained exiled
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Chaosquirrel on April 26, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
I meant if we're actually destroyed after it was flickered would the exiled cards still come back or not if the game considered it a brand new {Helvault}?
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: BlackJester on April 26, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
New one. The exiled cards are lost.
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Nobbert on April 27, 2012, 01:01:55 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 26, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
New one. The exiled cards are lost.
Wait what?  That useless card might actually have a value?
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Dywolf on April 27, 2012, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: Nobbert on April 27, 2012, 01:01:55 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 26, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
New one. The exiled cards are lost.
Wait what?  That useless card might actually have a value?

Why would you like to exile your own stuff ? Except if your willing to pay 7 mana for opponent creature :s
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
It was good enough to kick my ass at the prerelease. :-/

Also good with {Act o Treason} effects.
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 27, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
It was good enough to kick my ass at the prerelease. :-/

Also good with {Act o Treason} effects.

I just threw the two {helvaults} I have into my fling control deck for that exact reason! Piss people off. I'm glad it does actually have a purpose!!!!
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Fenster on April 27, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
{Power Artifact}!!!
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Dywolf on April 27, 2012, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on April 27, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
It was good enough to kick my ass at the prerelease. :-/

Also good with {Act o Treason} effects.

I just threw the two {helvaults} I have into my fling control deck for that exact reason! Piss people off. I'm glad it does actually have a purpose!!!!

If he adds some { ancient grudge } or any other destroy artifact and he will get all his card back ..
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Not if the {Helvault} gets "flickered" first, like in the beginning of this topic. 😉
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Dywolf on April 27, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Not if the {Helvault} gets "flickered" first, like in the beginning of this topic. 😉
So if it get exiled all the card "disappear " ?
Title: Re: Helvault
Post by: Grexis on April 27, 2012, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dywolf on April 27, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 27, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Not if the {Helvault} gets "flickered" first, like in the beginning of this topic. 😉
So if it get exiled all the card "disappear " ?
Yup yup if it gets exiled and comes back its seen as a new object so the cards linked to it will be forever lost... Until the game ends 😜