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Title: Better
Post by: Rass on September 17, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
 {Wrath of God} vs  {Damnation}

In current modern which is better and why
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Splicer on September 17, 2015, 06:25:16 PM
I don't get it, they do the same thing.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: theravenseye on September 17, 2015, 07:56:57 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 17, 2015, 06:57:28 PM
Supreme Verdict > damnation > wrath of god

Damnation is sideboard for decks like grixis twin and whatnot, verdict is main board for the decks that need it

Which is basically every control deck in modern that runs white and blue
Title: Re: Better
Post by: LinkCelestrial on September 17, 2015, 08:00:36 PM
They're identical. It's only a matter of price and what colour you're running.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
Equally destructive. Ones just more expensive because it was printed once.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Popper23345 on September 17, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
Equally destructive. Ones just more expensive because it was printed once.
Which sucks, since {kresh the bloodbraided} isnt white :/
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Popper23345 on September 17, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
Equally destructive. Ones just more expensive because it was printed once.
Which sucks, since {kresh the bloodbraided} isnt white :/

How would everything dying benefit him? I mean unless you made him indestructible which is most of the time white cards abilities
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Deebiia on September 17, 2015, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Popper23345 on September 17, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
Equally destructive. Ones just more expensive because it was printed once.
Which sucks, since {kresh the bloodbraided} isnt white :/

How would everything dying benefit him? I mean unless you made him indestructible which is most of the time white cards abilities
{Withstand Death}

But to chime in on the "Which is better" topic:
They both wipe the board, typically, but the difference is the amount of "destroy" effects in black is overwhelming to the point where if you can't find the right kill spell for your meta, deck, playstyle, etc. then you just throw in a {Damnation} to cover all bases. Nearly the same can be said for white, but the difference is it's not so much "destroy" as it is "exile" anymore. I think I can safely say 9 times out of 10 exile is much better than destroy since there are more cards that retrieve cards from the graveyard vs cards that retrieve cards from exile. That being said though, white has enough board wipes that a friend made a whole deck of board wipes. His win-con? {Haunted Plate Mail}. So which is better? Neither is better than the other. It's how it is used in the deck that makes a card good or bad.

I will say after {Damnation} was printed we haven't seen a single mono {B} board wipe, except for cards like {Languish}.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Popper23345 on September 17, 2015, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Popper23345 on September 17, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
Equally destructive. Ones just more expensive because it was printed once.
Which sucks, since {kresh the bloodbraided} isnt white :/

How would everything dying benefit him? I mean unless you made him indestructible which is most of the time white cards abilities
{withstand death}, {darksteel plate},  {Shield of Kaldra} etc.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Codester1991 on September 17, 2015, 11:21:48 PM
My bad :)
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Rass on September 18, 2015, 08:47:51 AM
I was thinking they were very similar. I wasn't sure if there was some protection I was missing that may have made damnation better. Thanks for the input guys.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Kaylesh on September 18, 2015, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Rass on September 18, 2015, 08:47:51 AM
I was thinking they were very similar. I wasn't sure if there was some protection I was missing that may have made damnation better. Thanks for the input guys.
In fact... They are not very similar, they are the same. {damnation} is the time shifted version of {wrath of God}. Same effect in a color that wouldn't normally have such effects according to the color pie. So don't hold your breath for either a reprint or more {B} wipes. Black does sweepers and targeted destruction. White is the color for wipes.
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on September 18, 2015, 01:38:30 PM
{wrath of God} gets points for being a mainstay of the white fleet since the beginning. But {damnation} gets points because it isn't white and every card out of that set is wonky awesome. Tough call, but I'd say damnation wins, cause a black deck would notice its absence more than a white deck would notice the absence of a WoG. (Due to DoJ, rout, planar cleansing, etc. etc.)
Title: Re: Better
Post by: Rass on September 18, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 18, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
{Fated Return}


And besides. why choose...run both

Only allowed 15 cards in the sb

Title: Re: Better
Post by: MuggyWuggy on September 18, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 18, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
{Fated Return}


And besides. why choose...run both
Oh edh jank