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UW Stone blade 75 cards, 15 sideboard 1 {Wasteland} 1 {Academy Ruins} 4 {Flooded Strand} 3 {Hallowed Fountain} 9 {Snow-Covered Island} 5 {Plains} 23 lands 4 {Stoneforge Mystic} 2 {Vendilion Clique} 2 {True-Name Nemesis} 1 {Snapcaster Mage} 9 creatures 2 {Force of Will} 2 {Gitaxian Probe} 1 {Impulse} 1 {Counterspell} 1 {Council's Judgment} 2 {Spell Snare} 4 {Swords to Plowshares} 1 {Umezawa's Jitte} 1 {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} 4 {Ponder} 3 {Spell Pierce} 1 {Batterskull} 4 {Brainstorm} 1 {Engineered Explosives} 28 other spells Sideboard 1 {Back to Basics} 2 {Pithing Needle} 1 {Hallowed Moonlight} 1 {Supreme Verdict} 1 {Manriki-Gusari} 2 {Rest in Peace} 1 {Containment Priest} 1 {Mindbreak Trap} 2 {Meddling Mage} 1 {Council's Judgment} 2 {Chill} 15 sideboard cards Notes:

I want to know what you think, and if j should take out a tnn or 2 and put in removal

Any thoughts?

Am I right to assume this is a budget list because you dont have any {tundra} etc ?

Yeah no tundra of force of wills, but I want to make it as competitive as possible

Within my fairly large budget

A red splash for {lightning bolt}, {pyroclasm}, blasts etc or a black splash for {deathrite shaman} and/or discard would be ideal, but if your land base is budget you probably wouldnt be able to pull it off. In saying that, playing shocklands will cost you, because your life points really do matter in legacy, but if you really wanna play then by all means use shocks, just be prepared to lose a few extra games because of it.

The main suggestion I can make is maybe run a couple of {gitaxian probe}s and more {spell pierce}. You can cut a TNN or two for them. Not really much removal you can play without going into red or black since you already have {swords to plowshares}. And not having {force of will} does limit you quite significantly as you dont have any real way to fight the quick, unfair decks.

Oh and i nearly forgot. Try to get hold of a couple of {wasteland}s if you can.

Whether you have forces or not, don't play {Daze}, it doesn't work in this deck. If you want to have some level of early protection, play more {Spell Pierce}/{Spell Snare}/{Flusterstorm}.

I'd add a {Sword of Fire and Ice}, possibly another {Vendilion Clique}.

{Back to Basics} would also be a nice addition to the sideboard, as well as {Ethersworn Canonist}.

Quote from: ihasfrozen on September 11, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
Whether you have forces or not, don't play {Daze}, it doesn't work in this deck. If you want to have some level of early protection, play more {Spell Pierce}/{Spell Snare}/{Flusterstorm}.

I'd add a {Sword of Fire and Ice}, possibly another {Vendilion Clique}.

{Back to Basics} would also be a nice addition to the sideboard, as well as {Ethersworn Canonist}.

All great suggestions. Adding more fetches when you have them available would be good as well. With  {Engineered Explosives} You also want at least a splash of another color to hit more than 2cmc permanents.

Quote from: Falcon182 on September 11, 2015, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: ihasfrozen on September 11, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
Whether you have forces or not, don't play {Daze}, it doesn't work in this deck. If you want to have some level of early protection, play more {Spell Pierce}/{Spell Snare}/{Flusterstorm}.

I'd add a {Sword of Fire and Ice}, possibly another {Vendilion Clique}.

{Back to Basics} would also be a nice addition to the sideboard, as well as {Ethersworn Canonist}.

All great suggestions. Adding more fetches when you have them available would be good as well. With  {Engineered Explosives} You also want at least a splash of another color to hit more than 2cmc permanents.

Tbh I actually like 2 colors for {engineered explosives}, since there are a lot of 2 drops I don't want down in modern, but I get your point

Quote from: Rothsteine on September 11, 2015, 06:24:48 PM

Quote from: Falcon182 on September 11, 2015, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: ihasfrozen on September 11, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
Whether you have forces or not, don't play {Daze}, it doesn't work in this deck. If you want to have some level of early protection, play more {Spell Pierce}/{Spell Snare}/{Flusterstorm}.

I'd add a {Sword of Fire and Ice}, possibly another {Vendilion Clique}.

{Back to Basics} would also be a nice addition to the sideboard, as well as {Ethersworn Canonist}.

All great suggestions. Adding more fetches when you have them available would be good as well. With  {Engineered Explosives} You also want at least a splash of another color to hit more than 2cmc permanents.

Tbh I actually like 2 colors for {engineered explosives}, since there are a lot of 2 drops I don't want down in modern, but I get your point

Yeah. It's still good for the two drops, but like for  {True-Name Nemesis} On the opponents side gives you only one out in the deck:  {Council's Judgment}, where with EE you have another removal item that is recur able with  {Academy Ruins} 

Quote from: Falcon182 on September 11, 2015, 07:10:21 PM

Quote from: Rothsteine on September 11, 2015, 06:24:48 PM

Quote from: Falcon182 on September 11, 2015, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: ihasfrozen on September 11, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
Whether you have forces or not, don't play {Daze}, it doesn't work in this deck. If you want to have some level of early protection, play more {Spell Pierce}/{Spell Snare}/{Flusterstorm}.

I'd add a {Sword of Fire and Ice}, possibly another {Vendilion Clique}.

{Back to Basics} would also be a nice addition to the sideboard, as well as {Ethersworn Canonist}.

All great suggestions. Adding more fetches when you have them available would be good as well. With  {Engineered Explosives} You also want at least a splash of another color to hit more than 2cmc permanents.

Tbh I actually like 2 colors for {engineered explosives}, since there are a lot of 2 drops I don't want down in modern, but I get your point

Yeah. It's still good for the two drops, but like for  {True-Name Nemesis} On the opponents side gives you only one out in the deck:  {Council's Judgment}, where with EE you have another removal item that is recur able with  {Academy Ruins}

That reminds me, what do u think about adding another {academy ruins} I mean there amazing in my deck.

Updated changed a bit, buts still budget

updated now no dig :(

Guys just one question, how competitive would it be, I take extra damage from the shocks, but don't take the damage from the fow's, but it is fows, so what do y'all think?

You need fows

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on October 14, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
You need fows

Unfortunately all decks in legacy "need" force of will to combat combo decks. BUT, depending on your meta you may not run in to many combo decks... You can try making this deck "esper" for the discard... Thought seize and inquisition of kozilek go a long way on the play to saving you from an early combo.

just got 1 fow, what card should i take out for it

Ruse

Familiar's ruse for sure. And if you are looking for another card to cut impulse is next in line.

Thanks

What about {strip mine} is that playable?

Quote from: Rothsteine on October 28, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
What about {strip mine} is that playable?

Banned

Quote from: Taysby on October 28, 2015, 02:36:17 PM

Quote from: Rothsteine on October 28, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
What about {strip mine} is that playable?

{wasteland}

ok

Slowly making it more cometitive, wanting to know what your suggestions were, and what my future fow's will replace, and should stifle go in as a 1 of?

Quote from: Taysby on November 05, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
Stifle is good enough for a 4 of. Just depends on what you want your deck to do.

I don't know much about legacy and I won't claim to but I know that 4 stifles is way too many stifles.

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on November 08, 2015, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: Taysby on November 05, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
Stifle is good enough for a 4 of. Just depends on what you want your deck to do.

I don't know much about legacy and I won't claim to but I know that 4 stifles is way too many stifles.

It depends on the match up. That is the kind of slot in the deck that you need to base around your metagame. If you tune your deck a certain way it is a great card to have 4 of. Otherwise, or in a poor meta for it, 4 can be way too many. There isnt really a right or wrong answer it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with the deck at any given tournament.

{stifle} their fetch is like destroy a land for {U}, right?

Quote from: Kaylesh on November 08, 2015, 04:03:32 AM
{stifle} their fetch is like destroy a land for {U}, right?

Yep. Or stifle their {wasteland} activation.

Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on November 08, 2015, 04:33:56 AM

Quote from: Kaylesh on November 08, 2015, 04:03:32 AM
{stifle} their fetch is like destroy a land for {U}, right?

Yep. Or stifle their {wasteland} activation.

Sounds great & versatile to me.

It is. In the right deck in the right meta its an all star.

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on November 08, 2015, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: Taysby on November 05, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
Stifle is good enough for a 4 of. Just depends on what you want your deck to do.

I don't know much about legacy and I won't claim to but I know that 4 stifles is way too many stifles.

Just stop talking about your knowledge of what is good for a format

Sometimes you're just toxic

And consider this: wasteland is very common currently, and so is shardless agent

So stifle is very relevant right now

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 08, 2015, 02:17:15 PM
And consider this: wasteland is very common currently, and so is shardless agent

So stifle is very relevant right now

Kaalia could've definitely worded it more appropriately, but I agree that 4 stifle is too much stifle, it's good, but not that good.

Oh look guys

Grixis delver #2 at gp Seattle

Running 4 stifles MB

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 09, 2015, 02:48:09 AM
Oh look guys

Grixis delver #2 at gp Seattle

Running 4 stifles MB

You dont need to convince me. See my previous posts.

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 09, 2015, 02:48:09 AM
Oh look guys

Grixis delver #2 at gp Seattle

Running 4 stifles MB

I was playing 2 stifle when I was playing grixis delver. It's good but sometimes is just a dead card in hand.

Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on November 09, 2015, 03:38:11 AM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 09, 2015, 02:48:09 AM
Oh look guys

Grixis delver #2 at gp Seattle

Running 4 stifles MB

You dont need to convince me. See my previous posts.

Wasn't for you

i think i want a {stifle} main board,thinking of taking out impulse thoughts?