9 {Mountain}
2 {Bloodstained Mire}
2 {Wind-Scarred Crag}
2 {Boros Garrison}
1 {Boros Guildgate}
1 {Battlefield Forge}
1 {Teetering Peaks}
18 lands
4 {Monastery Swiftspear}
4 {Spark Elemental}
4 {Goblin Glory Chaser}
2 {Goblin Shortcutter}
2 {Goblin Fireslinger}
1 {Jeering Instigator}
1 {Abbot of Keral Keep}
1 {Goblin Piledriver}
19 creatures
4 {Gut Shot}
4 {Lightning Bolt}
2 {Lightning Strike}
2 {Collateral Damage}
2 {Burst Lightning}
2 {Act of Treason}
1 {Trumpet Blast}
1 {Chandra's Fury}
1 {Flameshadow Conjuring}
1 {Impact Tremors}
1 {Banefire}
1 {Sunforger}
1 {Boros Charm}
23 other spells
Sideboard
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Any help with my burn deck is appreciated. This is working pretty well for me so far. I know there are some things I can change though.
4x Boros charm
4x light helix
4x lava spike
4x rift bolt
Skull cracks?
{Exquisite firecraft} is great against blue decks
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 07, 2015, 09:33:16 PM
{Exquisite firecraft} is great against blue decks
Wayyyy to slow for modern
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on September 07, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 07, 2015, 09:33:16 PM
{Exquisite firecraft} is great against blue decks
Wayyyy to slow for modern
It's a SB card as a 2 of. If Legacy burn can run it with great effect then so can Modern Burn.
Also check mtgtop8.com burn needs to be consistent so it needs playsets of cards not 1-2 ofs check the site and add what you like from the top decks and cut the bad cards in here
Very playable in legacy let alone modern. And even if this wasnt the case, it would be far from wayyy too slow.
What about some smash to smithereens? Is it worth it?
So you're half bad burn, half bad zoo.
These two halves don't make a good whole. I'd figure out which direction you want to go and drop the other half.
Honestly, unless you plan on fixing this up more solid it should be moved to casual. The land base is clunky, there's too many 1 ofs to actually make this deck a threat. Not trying to be harsh whatsoever but this thread is a competitive thread meant for constructive criticism. But if you do want to make it more competitive then you can respond to some of the suggestions at least.
{Smash to smithereens} is a great sideboard card. It isnt really good maindeck since it is only really useful in a couple of match ups. But in those matcups it is an all star so it is definitely worth having access to a couple from the sideboard
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 08, 2015, 08:57:26 PM
Honestly, unless you plan on fixing this up more solid it should be moved to casual. The land base is clunky, there's too many 1 ofs to actually make this deck a threat. Not trying to be harsh whatsoever but this thread is a competitive thread meant for constructive criticism. But if you do want to make it more competitive then you can respond to some of the suggestions at least.
You don't have to comment. Move on.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 08, 2015, 09:00:49 PM
{Smash to smithereens} is a great sideboard card. It isnt really good maindeck since it is only really useful in a couple of match ups. But in those matcups it is an all star so it is definitely worth having access to a couple from the sideboard
Thanks!
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on September 07, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
4x Boros charm
4x light helix
4x lava spike
4x rift bolt
Skull cracks?
All those look pretty awesome. I'll definitely pick some up. Thanks
Quote from: Jobenour3 on September 09, 2015, 04:05:31 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 08, 2015, 08:57:26 PM
Honestly, unless you plan on fixing this up more solid it should be moved to casual. The land base is clunky, there's too many 1 ofs to actually make this deck a threat. Not trying to be harsh whatsoever but this thread is a competitive thread meant for constructive criticism. But if you do want to make it more competitive then you can respond to some of the suggestions at least.
You don't have to comment. Move on.
He is correct though. This isn't a deck that can compete at a modern level, at all. This is a casual deck, and it should be in the forum designated for that. Don't take it as an insult, you're just in the wrong forum, or potentially have a skewed idea of what modern is.
We only try to help here, people here want decks to be t1 not casual
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on September 09, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
We only try to help here, people here want decks to be t1 not casual
Well what if he wanted help to make it a better deck? What if he didn't know much about modern?
Quote from: Splicer on September 09, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on September 09, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
We only try to help here, people here want decks to be t1 not casual
Well what if he wanted help to make it a better deck? What if he didn't know much about modern?
Then he should have responded better and asked for more help improving than brushing somebody aside that was telling the truth, even if it's harsh. Better to learn here than at a LGS.
Quote from: Splicer on September 09, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on September 09, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
We only try to help here, people here want decks to be t1 not casual
Well what if he wanted help to make it a better deck? What if he didn't know much about modern?
Then he should've posted in the casual forum and not the modern forum. This all comes back to the whole 'post this in the casual section' point codester made.
Quote from: Splicer on September 09, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on September 09, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
We only try to help here, people here want decks to be t1 not casual
Well what if he wanted help to make it a better deck? What if he didn't know much about modern?
Which is why people suggest stuff
Sorry. I'm very new 😁 moving to casual.
Dont worry, you didnt do any thing wrong really. This section should be renamed to "Modern - but only if someone important has piloted this deck to a pro tour top 8" the way some people carry on.
Nowhere can I find a rule about posting here that says the deck must be a tier one competitive deck. Cut the newbies some slack.
Seriously, if it bothers you guys that much that a deck that isnt top tier is listed in this section, help the guy out and it will be off your page quicker so you dont have to look at it anymore. Asking for help in the casual section could result in "solutions" that improve nothing but the flavor. This is a community. Lets help each other out.
Mmkay mr Fahrenheit.
You're telling me in any tournament FNM or not that lightning strikes and goblin fireslingers are gonna be game changing components? That is casual magic, thus what the dang casual forum is for. I'm very nice to new players that I know and meet and I'm also very honest. I'm the guy that helps most out more than others at my LGS, so if I'm gonna sit here and type out some truth to this guy who from my understating is building a deck for a very competitive format that is modern I want to let him know that this is not what magic is. Magic is having fun at your own level and what you're building is not at the level of the format you're trying to get into. You're not gonna go join College basketball only because you learned how to dribble, you're not gonna go rebuild an engine because you learned how to change the oil. I've met a lot of people who have stopped coming to the shop because they built something for modern and lost horribly and felt discouraged to play again. Long story short Fahrenheit I'm not being harsh to be a dick, I'm telling him the truth so he can ease into it and love the game rather than dive into it and hate it.
The thing is, all you have done is said that it is bad. Thats it. Not even a "if you added in this and that, for this reason, this would work better". Not even close to being helpful. All you have said is "this is bad, be off with you". Maybe he wants to make it competitive? Anyway, muggy has even commented a couple of times and hasnt moved the thread. And hes been moving heaps of stuff lately, so it cant be that bad in the modern section. I just dont like people get turned off our forum, or even worse, the game, because people tell him to get lost when they ask for help.
And once again, nowhere does it say that you must have a super competitive deck to post. Being harsh is just unnecessary, whether you think its for their own good or not.
I suggest that if we are to continue the attitude that super competitive decks are all that we want posted here, then can a mod please make a "rules for posting" document to have at the top so everyone can see it.
That's false. He said VERY nicely and politely that if he wasn't gonna try to turn this deck into something a little more competitive, it should be moved to casual.
The modern section isn't for "decks that have been piloted to a PT top 8" it's not even for decks that need to show up on a PT. It's for decks that have a chance at winning an FNM and doing okay at an IQ or something. This is a deck that plays boros guildgate and wind scarred crag and teetering peaks. These cards are far from viable in a format like modern.
Quote from: Jobenour3 on September 07, 2015, 08:47:43 PM
Any help with my burn deck is appreciated. This is working pretty well for me so far. I know there are some things I can change though.
Posted in the Modern section, which nowhere states it must be top tier competitive decks.
I am the only person that actually made suggestions on cards that could be used (granted I could have done more but my point stands). All anyone else has done is told him it is bad and should be moved to casual. Im just trying to say that this is not how a community should treat its fellow members. Maybe im taking it a little too personally, but I stand by my request for a mod to sticky some sort of posting rules so people dont keep making the 'mistake' of posting a modern legal deck list in the modern section and asking for help, since it is clearly not acceptible in this community.
As I just said, no one wants only top tier decks. Decks that win FNM aren't top tier. I won with gather the townsfolk in my deck once. We do want competitive decks because modern is a competitive format, and every single person understands the difference between casual and competitive magic. This deck is a perfect example of casual magic and it should be in the right forum.
That said, no one was being rude about it, everyone was polite in what they said. No one said "lol u suck, .love. you casual scrub go to the casual forum". No one even acted elitist.
Well, from my viewpoint it kinda did seem elitist. And i see it a lot around here. People post their decks in here and just get .poo. on. But you were right, no one was downright rude. But no one was helpful either. And yeah, we all like competitive decks. Doesnt mean the less competitive ones arent allowed. For all we know he wants to take it FNM. It shouldnt matter though. Does it really hurt you to see a casual looking deck in this section? Its not against the rules, and it might even be the start of converting people to more competitive play. Why cant we just help the people who ask for it?
There are different sections of the forums for a reason. It like if I just posted a discussion thread for oath of the gate watch under the trade section
Yeah, that would clearly be out of place. But someone asking for help with their modern deck in the modern section? Come on man, you are now comparing apples to oranges. I stand by my statement that if there isnt a rule against it we shouldnt discourage people from doing it. Sure, tell them that the casual section might better suit their needs. But there is no need to .poo. on their deck in the process. Actully offer suggestions. Otherwise you arent really helping at all. Plus they wont take you seriously anyway if all you do is criticise without being constructive. Thats all im trying to say. Why can't we be friends? (I bet you sang that last sentence didnt you?)
Not gonna move the thread because it's not tier 1, just people need to be open to critique when posting
Taking suggestions and keeping your own flavor is nice part of brewing