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Title: Subterranean scout
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2015, 11:15:58 PM
{subterraninan scout}

If say {goblin piledriver} has the scout buff and then goes up more than 2 attack during the battle, does it lose the unblockable? I don't think it does but
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Deebiia on August 27, 2015, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2015, 11:15:58 PM
{subterraninan scout}

If say {goblin piledriver} has the scout buff and then goes up more than 2 attack during the battle, does it lose the unblockable? I don't think it does but
It does not lose the unblockable if its power goes above 2. The targeting is saying its power must be 2 or less to gain the unblockable. Someone can probably post a ruling before I can :p
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2015, 11:23:20 PM
Woooooooooot
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: LinkCelestrial on August 27, 2015, 11:52:19 PM
{Break Through the Line}. *drops mic*
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Deebiia on August 27, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 27, 2015, 11:52:19 PM
{Break Through the Line}. *drops mic*
Welp, that's now a need for my EDH deck.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 28, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 27, 2015, 11:52:19 PM
{Break Through the Line}. *drops mic*

Lol
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: particle on August 28, 2015, 12:16:02 PM
Yea triggers like this don't continuously check. Once the ability resolves, only something like {turn to frog} or bouncing it would make it lose "can't be blocked."
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: particle on August 28, 2015, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on August 28, 2015, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: particle on August 28, 2015, 12:16:02 PM
Yea triggers like this don't continuously check. Once the ability resolves, only something like {turn to frog} or bouncing it would make it lose "can't be blocked."

actually turn to frog wont cause the loss of the "unblockability"
the creature looses all abilities, if it had "this creature cannot be blocked" then It would lose that "ability" but it does not lose a status that has been designated to it from another source such as "this creature cannot be blocked"

a status is not an ability

Can you provide a ruling for that?
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Splicer on August 28, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
110.6a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=110.6a): Status is not a characteristic, though it may affect a permanent's characteristics.

However, unblockable isn't a status.

110.6. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=110.6.): A permanent's status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: particle on August 28, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: Splicer on August 28, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
110.6a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=110.6a): Status is not a characteristic, though it may affect a permanent's characteristics.

However, unblockable isn't a status.

110.6. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=110.6.): A permanent's status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.

So it would be lost to {turn to frog}, right?
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Splicer on August 28, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
I can't give you a definitive answer, I'm not sure as of now.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Splicer on August 28, 2015, 10:35:38 PM
Ok, after further study, I believe that the wording IS unblockable rather than GAINS unblockable implies that {Turn to frog} will have no effect.

I cite
www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/294339-turn-to-frog 
as support for my thoughts.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Kaylesh on August 29, 2015, 08:17:50 AM
The big thing here is that {subterranean scout} does not grant an ability, it creates an effect that says something about the target creature.
That's why, when the targeted creature loses all abilities, it still can't be blocked.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: particle on August 29, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
I lie down corrected.
Title: Re: Subterranean scout
Post by: Splicer on August 29, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: particle on August 29, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
I lie down corrected.
Lol