say i have {starfield of nyx}, enough echantments to make enchantments creature, but for some reason not enough devotion to make a god like {erebos, god of deadstuff} a creature. What would he be?
Now he has enough devotion?
Starfield doesn't have enough enchants but devotion is on, then starfield does have enough.
You apply continuous effects by time stamp order. So there are 4 situations given devotion and enchantments on field
1. 4 or less enchantments, not enough devotion.
2. 5 or more, not enough devotion
3. 4 or less, enough devotion
4. 5 or more, enough devotion
1. Regardless of which entered first the god will not be anything
2. If the god entered first, than the starfield will take precedence. If the starfield came first the god will just be an enchantment
3. Regardless of which the god is as printed.
4. Regardless of which starfield will take precedence.
For clarification the 2 conditional continuous effects here as written are summed up as
1. Not enough devotion? not a creature.
and
2. Enough enchantments? Creature.
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 13, 2015, 09:38:01 PM
You apply continuous effects by time stamp order. So there are 4 situations given devotion and enchantments on field
1. 4 or less enchantments, not enough devotion.
2. 5 or more, not enough devotion
3. 4 or less, enough devotion
4. 5 or more, enough devotion
1. Regardless of which entered first the god will not be anything
2. If the god entered first, than the starfield will take precedence. If the starfield came first the god will just be an enchantment
3. Regardless of which the god is as printed.
4. Regardless of which starfield will take precedence.
For clarification the 2 conditional continuous effects here as written are summed up as
1. Not enough devotion? not a creature.
and
2. Enough enchantments? Creature.
This much i understood. My confusion comes when when it changes from one to the other. Like starfield is on, then devotion. Would the devotion static effect not override the previsous creature so his power/toughness would change?
No, switching back and forth does not change the timestamps, so each scenario remains the same as stated.
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 13, 2015, 09:50:19 PM
No, switching back and forth does not change the timestamps, so each scenario remains the same as stated.
Ok i think i get it. If only one effect would make it a creature, that effect does so. If BOTH would then if the starfield entered the battlefield most recently it will be a creature with p/t equal to it's cmc like starfield says. If the god itself entered the battlefield most recently then it's p/t will be whats printed on the card.
Yes?
Erm no, see it's weird because the god effect is actually a conditional which makes it not a creature.
It reads if your devotion is less than x than this god is not a creature
As opposed to it being just an enchantment (subtype god I guess?) with
If your devotion is x or greater this god becomes a creature.
If it were the latter then what you said would be true. But because it isn't the particulars that change are.
If the god has enough devotion and there are 5 or more enchantments, starfield of nyx will always take precedence. This is because the "not a creature" effect is not in place so the only timestamp to be applied is nyx turning a god into a probably weaker creature.
If you do not have enough devotion but you do have 5 or more enchantments, this is where timestamps matter. If starfield of nyx entered battlefield last, than the starfield stamp will override the god's "not a creature" stamp. But if the god entered last, for example if you recurred it with the starfield, than the god's "not a creature" stamp will override the starfield stamp.