{oblivion sower}
Ok so it's a new card that when its cast, target opponent exiles the top 4 cards of their library. You can put any number of lands that players own from exile onto the field. Can this ability find lands exiled by something else like {ashiok, nightmare weaver} or just other oblivion sowers. I know ashiok can't find cards exiled by another ashiok but this wording seems weird.
Can I see a pic? Sounds super weird...if it works with {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} then it's gonna be epic. It currently sounds like it does and feels like it shouldn't.
Tentatively, I'm going to say "Yes", because Sower doesn't say "Exiled this way". You could potentially wombo with {Hedonist's Trove} or {Rest in Peace} to play a bunch of someone else's lands. However, I'm going to say we should wait until the release notes to know for sure!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/oblivionsower.jpg)
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.
But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.
But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?
Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.
But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?
Infinite ETB?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 29, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.
But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?
Infinite ETB?
Free targeting for {phantom bear}, or other things that care about becoming target of spell or ability?
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 29, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.
But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?
Infinite ETB?
Free targeting for {phantom bear}, or other things that care about becoming target of spell or ability?
That too.
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 30, 2015, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...
Wow.... Just wow..
Two six cmc spells though. Not going to screw broken yet. Super cool though.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 30, 2015, 11:10:46 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 30, 2015, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...
Wow.... Just wow..
Two six cmc spells though. Not going to screw broken yet. Super cool though.
I'm afraid to say it, but I know a certain commander in those colors, who scoffs at cmcs.
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
As well as the wording on the card is "When ~ is cast" so no flickering sadly, yet something like {Roaring Primadox} would be pretty nice. May actually use this guy if it's really a thing.
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
As well as the wording on the card is "When ~ is cast" so no flickering sadly, yet something like {Roaring Primadox} would be pretty nice. May actually use this guy if it's really a thing.
Tx, I actually failed badly at reading there. {boomerang} could still do it. But the main thing would be to have mana from ramp to cast this guy, and then be able to exile my lands out of my hand (wouldn't deck be amazing), then throw this guy.
Quote from: Kaylesh on August 01, 2015, 06:04:54 AM
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
As well as the wording on the card is "When ~ is cast" so no flickering sadly, yet something like {Roaring Primadox} would be pretty nice. May actually use this guy if it's really a thing.
Tx, I actually failed badly at reading there. {boomerang} could still do it. But the main thing would be to have mana from ramp to cast this guy, and then be able to exile my lands out of my hand (wouldn't deck be amazing), then throw this guy.
I just keep thinking of stupid ideas to make him go crazy and {Omniscience} is like the only card that keeps coming to mind.
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on August 01, 2015, 06:04:54 AM
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
As well as the wording on the card is "When ~ is cast" so no flickering sadly, yet something like {Roaring Primadox} would be pretty nice. May actually use this guy if it's really a thing.
Tx, I actually failed badly at reading there. {boomerang} could still do it. But the main thing would be to have mana from ramp to cast this guy, and then be able to exile my lands out of my hand (wouldn't deck be amazing), then throw this guy.
I just keep thinking of stupid ideas to make him go crazy and {Omniscience} is like the only card that keeps coming to mind.
{omniscience} + {equilibrium} + {Cloud of Faeries} could cycle into casting forever. But I'm sure there's easier combos to mill out your opponent.
I'm still stuck on abusing him to filter out all lands, but things like {surgical extraction} don't allow to search for land for obvious reasons..
Quote from: Kaylesh on August 01, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on August 01, 2015, 06:04:54 AM
Quote from: Deebiia on August 01, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}
{Animar, Soul of Elements} was who I was thinking of, but got my colors wrong.. Very happy Mayael can't hit razer, she's explosive enough..
Gets me wondering though: if I have {Bottled Cloister}, I exile my hand face down, but will land cards still be pulled from exile, even though face down? Could combo nicely with a {cloudshift} on {isochron scepter}.
EDIT: nvm, cards exiled face down have no characteristics. Back to the drawing board..
As well as the wording on the card is "When ~ is cast" so no flickering sadly, yet something like {Roaring Primadox} would be pretty nice. May actually use this guy if it's really a thing.
Tx, I actually failed badly at reading there. {boomerang} could still do it. But the main thing would be to have mana from ramp to cast this guy, and then be able to exile my lands out of my hand (wouldn't deck be amazing), then throw this guy.
I just keep thinking of stupid ideas to make him go crazy and {Omniscience} is like the only card that keeps coming to mind.
{omniscience} + {equilibrium} + {Cloud of Faeries} could cycle into casting forever. But I'm sure there's easier combos to mill out your opponent.
I'm still stuck on abusing him to filter out all lands, but things like {surgical extraction} don't allow to search for land for obvious reasons..
Well extraction can hit nonbasics so you name a shockland and play all of them. Just don't pay all that life.
I guess you can do the {Splinter} + {Liquimetal Coating} to get rid of all of one type of land. That can do it.
Quote from: Deebiia on August 02, 2015, 11:26:18 AM
I guess you can do the {Splinter} + {Liquimetal Coating} to get rid of all of one type of land. That can do it.
New card to me, but that would so work! And on the opponents lands as well.. Fancy forest you played there, mind if I take them all out?