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Title: token problems
Post by: imFourth of Phils on July 22, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
{Mirror Mockery}

you attach this aura to opponents creature?
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Kaylesh on July 22, 2015, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on July 22, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
{Mirror Mockery}

you attach this aura to opponents creature?
Yeah. Enchant creature. Works fine.
If it said creature you control, then no.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Lord of the Flying Guinea-Potatoes on July 22, 2015, 05:35:49 PM
You can attach it to an opponent's creature to make it act as an odd sort of pacifism, or you can attach it to your own creature (or your opponent's)  in order to get repeated etb activations.  It's an odd card, to say the least.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Teysa karlov on July 22, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on July 22, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
{Mirror Mockery}

you attach this aura to opponents creature?

I played it on my opponent's {siege Rhino}
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Kaylesh on July 22, 2015, 08:57:46 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 22, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Teysa karlov on July 22, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on July 22, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
{Mirror Mockery}

you attach this aura to opponents creature?

I played it on my opponent's {siege Rhino}

I'll just sit and block with this one...
More like, you want to pay 3 life to give me 3? How nice. Now I'll kill your x/4 creatures with this mirror guy ok?
Note of caution: Do NOT attach to  {Phage the Untouchable} For obvious reasons..
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on July 22, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
Looks like it would be great with {giant adephage}
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on July 22, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
Looks like it would be great with {giant adephage}
Why?
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:30:05 PM
Swing, get bonus {Giant Adephage}, connect twice, get two tokens, end result 14 damage and three {Giant Adephage}s assuming no blocks. Though the trample means blocks usually don't matter.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:30:05 PM
Swing, get bonus {Giant Adephage}, connect twice, get two tokens, end result 14 damage and three {Giant Adephage}s assuming no blocks. Though the trample means blocks usually don't matter.
But it dosen't have haste.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
That's completely not the point.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
That's completely not the point.
But the problem is that you have to connect with the adephage, which mockery doe nothing about.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
However the token is exiled at the end of combat. How do you propose to get around that without a {Sundial of the infinite} up and ready?
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: particle on July 22, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
However the token is exiled at the end of combat. How do you propose to get around that without a {Sundial of the infinite} up and ready?

The token from mockery will go away. The token from {giant adephage's} ability will stay.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: LinkCelestrial on July 23, 2015, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: particle on July 22, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
However the token is exiled at the end of combat. How do you propose to get around that without a {Sundial of the infinite} up and ready?

The token from mockery will go away. The token from {giant adephage's} ability will stay.

^This^

That was the point.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Kaylesh on July 23, 2015, 05:37:47 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 23, 2015, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: particle on July 22, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
However the token is exiled at the end of combat. How do you propose to get around that without a {Sundial of the infinite} up and ready?

The token from mockery will go away. The token from {giant adephage's} ability will stay.

^This^

That was the point.
Thing is, you don't get combat damage in with the copy, it does not attack. In this case, if you end up connecting you'd get the token anyway, mockery or no. Even if you give it haste, it is not attacking and you already declared your attackers for the combat by the time you get the token.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Oldschoolmtgnoob on July 23, 2015, 09:26:47 AM
Even the art implies it's sort of meant to go on an opponents creature. Or put it on your {crater hellion} or constant board wipes
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on July 23, 2015, 09:38:11 AM
Clearly pretty strong for any creature with an amazing ETB like {craterhoof behemoth} or {dragonlord Atarka}.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: mickeven on July 23, 2015, 09:56:14 AM
 {Thragtusk} anyone?
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: Splicer on July 23, 2015, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 23, 2015, 05:37:47 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 23, 2015, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: particle on July 22, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 22, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
It has trample. Not too hard.
However the token is exiled at the end of combat. How do you propose to get around that without a {Sundial of the infinite} up and ready?

The token from mockery will go away. The token from {giant adephage's} ability will stay.

^This^

That was the point.
Thing is, you don't get combat damage in with the copy, it does not attack. In this case, if you end up connecting you'd get the token anyway, mockery or no. Even if you give it haste, it is not attacking and you already declared your attackers for the combat by the time you get the token.
This is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: token problems
Post by: imFourth of Phils on July 26, 2015, 12:46:40 AM
thanks all, sorry for late response