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Origins Mono White Devotion 60 cards, 0 sideboard 2 {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx} 21 {Plains} 23 lands 3 {Kytheon, Hero of Akros} 4 {Soldier of the Pantheon} 4 {Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit} 4 {Knight of the White Orchid} 4 {Vryn Wingmare} 3 {Brimaz, King of Oreskos} 2 {Heliod, God of the Sun} 2 {Archangel of Tithes} 4 {Kytheon's Irregulars} 2 {Wingmate Roc} 32 creatures 2 {Banishing Light} 3 {Valorous Stance} 5 other spells Sideboard

Brewed this up in about 10 minutes. I'm a little behind on my standard knowledge so any glaring absences (and of course normal suggestions) are appreciated, sideboard suggestions would be great too.

Should I play {mastery of the unseen}? It seems like a good mana sink and a good late game card against wraths.

{Kytheon, Hero of Akros}? What about {End Hostilities}? I like the idea of having a board wipe available if need be. There's also options such as {Return to the Ranks} available. I'm not an expert by any means on this style deck, but those cards come to mind for me.

Ohh and maybe {Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit}?

Oh right, I was thinking about Kytheon and how he's not in the database and how I needed to get a filler for him in the meantime and then I completely forgot :P thanks.

I feel like {end hostilities} could be good in the sideboard but this is a creature based deck so I'm a little hesitant to play it. I've tried Return in other various builds and it has been very underwhelming for me. I'll pass on that one. Anafenza sounds really good though, probably need to test it and {consuls lieutenant} to see which is better.

Until kytheon is in the database, those last 3 spots are where he'll be.

I figured you'd say that about {End Hostilities}...just thought if mention it in case it slipped your mind :)

Have you considered {Celestial Flare} at all?

With Oreskos, I'd think the slower pace of Anafenza will be pretty well compensated by the triggers.
(when thinking on Anafenza vs lieutenant.)

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 12, 2015, 01:23:07 PM
With Oreskos, I'd think the slower pace of Anafenza will be pretty well compensated by the triggers.
(when thinking on Anafenza vs lieutenant.)

{anafenza, kin tree spirit} read again, non token :(

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
I figured you'd say that about {End Hostilities}...just thought if mention it in case it slipped your mind :)

Have you considered {Celestial Flare} at all?

No worries, suggestions are always good :)

I like celestial flare, maybe in the board against Ojutai and the like. It seems a little narrow to be played in the main (I'm expecting lots of Rabblemasters and things), but again, testing should help. I'm really relying on the Irregulars to get blockers out of the way, not so sure if celestial flare is what I'm looking for for that plan.

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 12, 2015, 01:33:11 PM

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
I figured you'd say that about {End Hostilities}...just thought if mention it in case it slipped your mind :)

Have you considered {Celestial Flare} at all?

No worries, suggestions are always good :)

I like celestial flare, maybe in the board against Ojutai and the like. It seems a little narrow to be played in the main (I'm expecting lots of Rabblemasters and things), but again, testing should help. I'm really relying on the Irregulars to get blockers out of the way, not so sure if celestial flare is what I'm looking for for that plan.

At the very least I'd keep it in the sideboard. Like you said, it will get rid of Ojutai but also {Silumgar, the Drifting Death}. U/B Control is getting a little stronger with Origins so I'd expect a little uptick with that deck.

There's also {Citadel Siege} which I believe is better than {Kytheon's Irregulars}. It's a little more consistent with the 2 options is gives you and you don't need to keep paying the WW for the tap effect to happen and the Siege doesn't need to be renowned. I know its not a creature, but I like it more with this deck honestly.

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 01:55:05 PM
There's also {Citadel Siege} which I believe is better than {Kytheon's Irregulars}. It's a little more consistent with the 2 options is gives you and you don't need to keep paying the WW for the tap effect to happen and the Siege doesn't need to be renowned. I know its not a creature, but I like it more with this deck honestly.

I was thinking that paying WW is better because I can generate so much mana with nykthos that I might be able to just tap down their whole board. With citadel I can only tap one a turn.

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 12, 2015, 01:33:11 PM

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
I figured you'd say that about {End Hostilities}...just thought if mention it in case it slipped your mind :)

Have you considered {Celestial Flare} at all?

No worries, suggestions are always good :)

I like celestial flare, maybe in the board against Ojutai and the like. It seems a little narrow to be played in the main (I'm expecting lots of Rabblemasters and things), but again, testing should help. I'm really relying on the Irregulars to get blockers out of the way, not so sure if celestial flare is what I'm looking for for that plan.

At the very least I'd keep it in the sideboard. Like you said, it will get rid of Ojutai but also {Silumgar, the Drifting Death}. U/B Control is getting a little stronger with Origins so I'd expect a little uptick with that deck.

Yeah, all the big control dragons who attack alone were what I had in mind.

I get what you are saying about the Irregulars...Im still partial the Siege...test them both out and decide from there :)

I think tht mastery would be good because
-If you get to late game you'll need a mana sink
-It triggers anafenza
-It will get you extra life
-You will hit creatures most of the time

{Archetype of courage} maybe

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 12, 2015, 04:27:24 PM
I get what you are saying about the Irregulars...Im still partial the Siege...test them both out and decide from there :)

Will do, thanks :)

Quote from: Splicer on July 12, 2015, 04:28:45 PM
I think tht mastery would be good because
-If you get to late game you'll need a mana sink
-It triggers anafenza
-It will get you extra life
-You will hit creatures most of the time

I was thinking my mana sink would be the Irregulars/Heliod. I'm thinking that it is better than Heliod for this deck? 4 mana for a manifest or 4 for a 2/1. Thing is, Heliod will usually be a creature... Maybe I'll sideboard the thing to play against control or something. Probably will test it main board too.

Fair enough, I'll admit that I did not notice heliod.

Which do you think is a better mana sink for this deck?

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 12, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
Which do you think is a better mana sink for this deck?

I like {Heliod, God of the Sun} more for this deck. That being said, {Mastery of the Unseen} might be better against burn/aggro decks...the life gain might keep you going. Another card I just thought of though is {Wingmate Roc}; typically you'll be able to get the raid effect and if the board is flooded with creatures, the "gain life" clause is great. Just something to consider.

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 13, 2015, 06:59:31 AM

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 12, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
Which do you think is a better mana sink for this deck?

I like {Heliod, God of the Sun} more for this deck. That being said, {Mastery of the Unseen} might be better against burn/aggro decks...the life gain might keep you going. Another card I just thought of though is {Wingmate Roc}; typically you'll be able to get the raid effect and if the board is flooded with creatures, the "gain life" clause is great. Just something to consider.

Wing mate is one of those auto includes that I forgot about, thanks! Seems like from what you said, Mastery is a good sb card, which was my plan for it. I think Heliod has a better chance of surviving against control decks/midrange because of indestructible so I'll keep him in the main.

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 13, 2015, 07:36:52 AM

Quote from: Estel2931 on July 13, 2015, 06:59:31 AM

Quote from: Ekann1 on July 12, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
Which do you think is a better mana sink for this deck?

I like {Heliod, God of the Sun} more for this deck. That being said, {Mastery of the Unseen} might be better against burn/aggro decks...the life gain might keep you going. Another card I just thought of though is {Wingmate Roc}; typically you'll be able to get the raid effect and if the board is flooded with creatures, the "gain life" clause is great. Just something to consider.

Wing mate is one of those auto includes that I forgot about, thanks! Seems like from what you said, Mastery is a good sb card, which was my plan for it. I think Heliod has a better chance of surviving against control decks/midrange because of indestructible so I'll keep him in the main.

I feel like you're making the right decisions here but it might be worth main boarding {Mastery of the Unseen} if your meta is midrange/control.

Quote from: bravado883 on July 13, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
I'm not sure mainboarding 4 {Vryn Wingmare} is great--there are going to be a lot of creature decks in the new format, and a 2/1 flyer for {2}{W} seems bad. Even against control it's not great; with the uptick in number of good mono-colored creatures, {Ultimate Price} will see more play and {Bile Blight} will continue to be a premium removal spell. If you take turn 3 off to cast Wingmare, control decks can still untap and kill your Wingmare the next turn, and can kill anything they need to the turn you play Wingmare by casting removal in response. Don't get me wrong, it's still good against the spell-heavy decks and probably worth a sideboard slot or two, but it's not {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}. Frankly, as a control player {Mastery of the Unseen} is WAY scarier anyway. That card is bonkers.

I really want to build the MWD deck, but I don't have most of the key cards and am unsure about purchasing a bunch of them so close to rotation. But the deck looks awesome, and I'm sure it can get there.

And if you decide to mainboard {Mastery of the Unseen}, you could always throw in {Eidolon of Rhetoric}...seems like it could be fun

Hmm, thanks for all the advice. The idea behind the wingmare was to slow down the {languish} by a turn. You're probably right that that won't happen though. Testing is in order when I have time.

This seems good:

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1243462