{possibility storm} and {hive mind} are on the field under my control in a multiplayer game.
Player casts a spell I don't want, let's say {back to nature}.
Can I stack the triggers so that storm resolves first, so that no copies are created?
Edit: I got as far as realizing the spell cast instead is cast from exile, and that {hive mind} will trigger on the second instant. But will the first spell also be copied even though the spell is no longer on the stack to be copied?
Ok. So, when your opp casts {back to nature}, both {possibility storm} and {hive mind} will trigger. You may put them on the stack how you see fit. If you choose to stack it so possibility storm resolves first, the spell will be exiled. Regardless, hive mind isn't looking to see where it is when it resolves. The hive mind copy trigger is still on the stack and will resolve as the copy of the spell.
So, in English:
Cast {back to nature}
Trigger both enchantments
Stack so storm resolves first.
Storm exiles btn and a new card comes out.
You may cast this card.
If you do, you will trigger {hive mind}.
Assuming all of those resolve, hive mind copying back to nature will then resolve.
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Ah, it is the total anarchy I was looking for. Pretty much impossible to control for anyone. Too bad even I can't...
On another note. Say I cast {bitumous blast}.
The cascade gets copied, so each player exiles cards and then chooses to cast as they cast the copy? Is that right timing-wise?
The deck I'm working on is gonna be quite complicated it seems.
Oh good, if we play a game, I'll have time to work on my book...
Can someone explain a full example with both ways of stacking the two cards? I am stilk pretty confused
Possibility storm right out of this building leaving everything behind and never look back.
Quote from: redwolv on June 29, 2015, 07:36:33 PM
Can someone explain a full example with both ways of stacking the two cards? I am stilk pretty confused
You just mean {hive mind} and {possibility storm}? The order doesn't matter that much.
So, say I cast {lightning bolt} and target you. I will have two triggers that i can stack as I please. Let's say I stack it so {hive mind} resolves first. So you would copy my bolt. You have to choose a legal target so if I had something like {leyline of sancticy} out and there were no creatures on the board, you would have to target yourself. Ok, then {possibility storm} is gonna resolve, exiling {lightning bolt} and looking for a new instant. Oh, it's {shock}. I may cast it. If I do, {hive mind} will trigger.
If you switch the order, {lightning bolt} will be exiled, you'll find {shock}, if you cast it it'll trigger {hive mind}. Then once both {shock}s resolve, the hive minded {lightning bolt} would resolve. Not much of a difference.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 29, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
On another note. Say I cast {bitumous blast}.
The cascade gets copied, so each player exiles cards and then chooses to cast as they cast the copy? Is that right timing-wise?
The deck I'm working on is gonna be quite complicated it seems.
Note that {hive mind} does not make players cast spells, it makes them copy spells. Spells that are copied will not trigger cascade.
Quote from: particle on June 29, 2015, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: redwolv on June 29, 2015, 07:36:33 PM
Can someone explain a full example with both ways of stacking the two cards? I am stilk pretty confused
You just mean {hive mind} and {possibility storm}? The order doesn't matter that much.
So, say I cast {lightning bolt} and target you. I will have two triggers that i can stack as I please. Let's say I stack it so {hive mind} resolves first. So you would copy my bolt. You have to choose a legal target so if I had something like {leyline of sancticy} out and there were no creatures on the board, you would have to target yourself. Ok, then {possibility storm} is gonna resolve, exiling {lightning bolt} and looking for a new instant. Oh, it's {shock}. I may cast it. If I do, {hive mind} will trigger.
If you switch the order, {lightning bolt} will be exiled, you'll find {shock}, if you cast it it'll trigger {hive mind}. Then once both {shock}s resolve, the hive minded {lightning bolt} would resolve. Not much of a difference.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 29, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
On another note. Say I cast {bitumous blast}.
The cascade gets copied, so each player exiles cards and then chooses to cast as they cast the copy? Is that right timing-wise?
The deck I'm working on is gonna be quite complicated it seems.
Note that {hive mind} does not make players cast spells, it makes them copy spells. Spells that are copied will not trigger cascade.
Ah, thanks. RTFC I guess..
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 30, 2015, 05:12:34 AM
Quote from: particle on June 29, 2015, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: redwolv on June 29, 2015, 07:36:33 PM
Can someone explain a full example with both ways of stacking the two cards? I am stilk pretty confused
You just mean {hive mind} and {possibility storm}? The order doesn't matter that much.
So, say I cast {lightning bolt} and target you. I will have two triggers that i can stack as I please. Let's say I stack it so {hive mind} resolves first. So you would copy my bolt. You have to choose a legal target so if I had something like {leyline of sancticy} out and there were no creatures on the board, you would have to target yourself. Ok, then {possibility storm} is gonna resolve, exiling {lightning bolt} and looking for a new instant. Oh, it's {shock}. I may cast it. If I do, {hive mind} will trigger.
If you switch the order, {lightning bolt} will be exiled, you'll find {shock}, if you cast it it'll trigger {hive mind}. Then once both {shock}s resolve, the hive minded {lightning bolt} would resolve. Not much of a difference.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 29, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
On another note. Say I cast {bitumous blast}.
The cascade gets copied, so each player exiles cards and then chooses to cast as they cast the copy? Is that right timing-wise?
The deck I'm working on is gonna be quite complicated it seems.
Note that {hive mind} does not make players cast spells, it makes them copy spells. Spells that are copied will not trigger cascade.
Ah, thanks. RTFC I guess..
If hive mind said cast it would trigger off itself and automatically loop.
It is not so much that I misread {hive mind} as that I did cascade. Kinda assumed it was an effect on resolution instead of on casting.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 30, 2015, 09:14:07 AM
It is not so much that I misread {hive mind} as that I did cascade. Kinda assumed it was an effect on resolution instead of on casting.
Yeah - the flips and cast from Cascade resolve before the spell that has Cascade.
Which is why {Maelstrom Wanderer} and board wipes is evil.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 30, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
Which is why {Maelstrom Wanderer} and board wipes is evil.
Yeah. Maybe I should swap the chaos deck to this guy and find a way to keep casting..
Most chaos cards are {U}/{R} anyway, and {G} gives ramp.